[ZR1] C7 sheaper then ZR1????
#1
Instructor
Thread Starter
C7 sheaper then ZR1????
I am still getting a kick out of everyone saying they can get a supercar for $79K
Aside from the short comings of the "promised" C7 Z06 performance. I can't help but chuckle at the illusion of "budget" supercar. When you spec the new C7 Z06 out to be close to a ZR1...you are well in the 6 figure range. Lets be honest here.....when you breach 100K. A few thousand dollars in either direction is insignificant.
Price and options.
Pricing as listed today on GM building a Z06
Simply add $4,000 for a convertible.
2015 Corvette Z06 Coupe
Trim
1LZ MSRP from $79,995†
2LZ MSRP from $83,265†
3LZ MSRP from $88,645†
Premium color upgrade options
Daytona Sunrise Orange Metallic $495
Laguna Blue Tintcoat $995
Velocity Yellow Tintcoat $995
Crystal Red Tintcoat $995
Wheel Upgrades
Z06 Black-painted wheels $495
Z06 Spectra Gray-painted $595
Z06 Chrome aluminum $1,995
Z07 Performance Package
$7,995
7-speed manual transmission
$0
8-speed paddle shift transmission
$1,725
Battery Protection Package
$100
Dark Gray Metallic-painted brake calipers
$595
Black-painted brake calipers
$595
Yellow-painted brake calipers
$595
Exterior
Hood stinger stripe, Carbon Flash
$500
Hood stinger stripe, Cyber Gray
$500
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Blade Silver
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Carbon Flash
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Crystal Red
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Cyber Gray
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Inferno Orange
$950
Transparent roof panel
$995
Visible carbon-fiber roof panel with body-color surround
$1,995
Carbon Fiber Dual Roof Package
$2,995
Body-Color Dual Roof Package
$1,995
Carbon Flash-painted outside mirrors
$100
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Carbon Flash-painted
$2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber
$3,995
Chrome Badge Package
$100
Rear fascia protector, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$95
Shark Gray-painted exterior vents
$595
Body-color painted exterior vents
$995
Indoor vehicle cover, Kalahari, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Indoor vehicle cover, Red, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Indoor vehicle cover, Gray, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Corvette® Museum Delivery
$990
Interior
Competition Sport bucket seats
$1,995
Carbon fiber interior trim
$995
Personalized plaque
$200
Cargo shade, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$170
Custom Corvette® luggage, Genuine Corvette Accessory
$920
Now after all of that nonsense and options that seem to be very overwhelming. Lets plug in building a base C7 Z06 in each trim level that would at least be comparable to a ZR1...(basically adding the Z07 package to each one).
When adding the Z07 Performance Package for $7,995 (8 grand). You are required to add one of two carbon fiber ground effects option. One of them cost 3 grand and the other is 4 grand. So, the reality is...to add an equivalent ZR1 performance to the new Z06. You will be increasing the price by 11 grand or 12 grand (respectively).
Z07 Performance Package.
In order to select this feature, please also select one of the following :
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Carbon Flash-painted $2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber $3,995
Okay, lets pick the visible Carbon Fiber at $3,885..after all, you can visually see the carbon fiber on the ZR1.
The true starting price of a C7 Z06 that is comparable to a ZR1.
Price is a base color of white, with base silver wheels. No other options.
Trim
1LZ MSRP from $91,985
2LZ MSRP from $95,255
3LZ MSRP from $100,635
Now, lets build one to the ZR1 3LZ option. The 3ZR code was all available upgrades. This is more for sh*ts and giggles then anything else. Primarily to show just how d*mn expensive the new Z06 can get. While also adding a few of the "now available and makes the Z06 so special. Things like an automatic and roof options. Even though...me personally, I don't care for an automatic.
Here is a fully loaded all options that can be had.
2015 Corvette Z06 Coupe 3LZ
Grand total! Purchase Price $121,195*
View Standard Equipment
MSRP1 from $87,650
Destination Freight Charge $995
Gas Guzzler Tax $1,300
Options
Laguna Blue Tintcoat $995
Dark Gray, Perforated Napa leather seating surfaces $0
19" front/20" rear, Z06® chrome aluminum wheels $1,995
Z07 Performance Package $7,995
6.2L (376 ci) supercharged V8 DI engine Standard
8-speed paddle shift transmission $1,725
Yellow-painted brake calipers $595
Chevrolet MyLink®1 Radio with Navigation2 Standard
Competition Sport bucket seats $1,995
Carbon fiber interior trim $995
Cargo shade, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $170
Custom Corvette® luggage, Genuine Corvette Accessory $920
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Carbon Flash $950
Carbon Fiber Dual Roof Package $2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber $3,995
Chrome Badge Package $100
Rear fascia protector, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $95
Body-color painted exterior vents $995
Indoor vehicle cover, Gray, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $410
Corvette® Museum Delivery $990
Accessories
Battery Protection $120
Custom Graphics (Full Length Dual Racing Stripe) $900
Emblems (Carbon Flash) $135
Front Aero Panel $160
Decal/Stripe Package $450
Reflective Triangle $15
Splash Guards - Front Molded $75
Splash Guards - Rear Molded $75
Spoiler Kit $550
Underhood Liner $255
Vehicle Cover Lock Package $10
Floor Mats - Front Premium Carpet $155
Roof Panel Storage Bag $130
First Aid Kit $25
Highway Safety Kit $80
Center Cap (Carbon Logo) $200
Options and Accessories Total $31,250**
Total MSRP $121,195
Price $121,195*
Aside from the short comings of the "promised" C7 Z06 performance. I can't help but chuckle at the illusion of "budget" supercar. When you spec the new C7 Z06 out to be close to a ZR1...you are well in the 6 figure range. Lets be honest here.....when you breach 100K. A few thousand dollars in either direction is insignificant.
Price and options.
Pricing as listed today on GM building a Z06
Simply add $4,000 for a convertible.
2015 Corvette Z06 Coupe
Trim
1LZ MSRP from $79,995†
2LZ MSRP from $83,265†
3LZ MSRP from $88,645†
Premium color upgrade options
Daytona Sunrise Orange Metallic $495
Laguna Blue Tintcoat $995
Velocity Yellow Tintcoat $995
Crystal Red Tintcoat $995
Wheel Upgrades
Z06 Black-painted wheels $495
Z06 Spectra Gray-painted $595
Z06 Chrome aluminum $1,995
Z07 Performance Package
$7,995
7-speed manual transmission
$0
8-speed paddle shift transmission
$1,725
Battery Protection Package
$100
Dark Gray Metallic-painted brake calipers
$595
Black-painted brake calipers
$595
Yellow-painted brake calipers
$595
Exterior
Hood stinger stripe, Carbon Flash
$500
Hood stinger stripe, Cyber Gray
$500
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Blade Silver
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Carbon Flash
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Crystal Red
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Cyber Gray
$950
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Inferno Orange
$950
Transparent roof panel
$995
Visible carbon-fiber roof panel with body-color surround
$1,995
Carbon Fiber Dual Roof Package
$2,995
Body-Color Dual Roof Package
$1,995
Carbon Flash-painted outside mirrors
$100
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Carbon Flash-painted
$2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber
$3,995
Chrome Badge Package
$100
Rear fascia protector, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$95
Shark Gray-painted exterior vents
$595
Body-color painted exterior vents
$995
Indoor vehicle cover, Kalahari, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Indoor vehicle cover, Red, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Indoor vehicle cover, Gray, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$410
Corvette® Museum Delivery
$990
Interior
Competition Sport bucket seats
$1,995
Carbon fiber interior trim
$995
Personalized plaque
$200
Cargo shade, Genuine Corvette® Accessory
$170
Custom Corvette® luggage, Genuine Corvette Accessory
$920
Now after all of that nonsense and options that seem to be very overwhelming. Lets plug in building a base C7 Z06 in each trim level that would at least be comparable to a ZR1...(basically adding the Z07 package to each one).
When adding the Z07 Performance Package for $7,995 (8 grand). You are required to add one of two carbon fiber ground effects option. One of them cost 3 grand and the other is 4 grand. So, the reality is...to add an equivalent ZR1 performance to the new Z06. You will be increasing the price by 11 grand or 12 grand (respectively).
Z07 Performance Package.
In order to select this feature, please also select one of the following :
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Carbon Flash-painted $2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber $3,995
Okay, lets pick the visible Carbon Fiber at $3,885..after all, you can visually see the carbon fiber on the ZR1.
The true starting price of a C7 Z06 that is comparable to a ZR1.
Price is a base color of white, with base silver wheels. No other options.
Trim
1LZ MSRP from $91,985
2LZ MSRP from $95,255
3LZ MSRP from $100,635
Now, lets build one to the ZR1 3LZ option. The 3ZR code was all available upgrades. This is more for sh*ts and giggles then anything else. Primarily to show just how d*mn expensive the new Z06 can get. While also adding a few of the "now available and makes the Z06 so special. Things like an automatic and roof options. Even though...me personally, I don't care for an automatic.
Here is a fully loaded all options that can be had.
2015 Corvette Z06 Coupe 3LZ
Grand total! Purchase Price $121,195*
View Standard Equipment
MSRP1 from $87,650
Destination Freight Charge $995
Gas Guzzler Tax $1,300
Options
Laguna Blue Tintcoat $995
Dark Gray, Perforated Napa leather seating surfaces $0
19" front/20" rear, Z06® chrome aluminum wheels $1,995
Z07 Performance Package $7,995
6.2L (376 ci) supercharged V8 DI engine Standard
8-speed paddle shift transmission $1,725
Yellow-painted brake calipers $595
Chevrolet MyLink®1 Radio with Navigation2 Standard
Competition Sport bucket seats $1,995
Carbon fiber interior trim $995
Cargo shade, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $170
Custom Corvette® luggage, Genuine Corvette Accessory $920
Full Length Dual Racing Stripe Package, Carbon Flash $950
Carbon Fiber Dual Roof Package $2,995
Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package, Visible Carbon Fiber $3,995
Chrome Badge Package $100
Rear fascia protector, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $95
Body-color painted exterior vents $995
Indoor vehicle cover, Gray, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $410
Corvette® Museum Delivery $990
Accessories
Battery Protection $120
Custom Graphics (Full Length Dual Racing Stripe) $900
Emblems (Carbon Flash) $135
Front Aero Panel $160
Decal/Stripe Package $450
Reflective Triangle $15
Splash Guards - Front Molded $75
Splash Guards - Rear Molded $75
Spoiler Kit $550
Underhood Liner $255
Vehicle Cover Lock Package $10
Floor Mats - Front Premium Carpet $155
Roof Panel Storage Bag $130
First Aid Kit $25
Highway Safety Kit $80
Center Cap (Carbon Logo) $200
Options and Accessories Total $31,250**
Total MSRP $121,195
Price $121,195*
Last edited by Tobynt; 02-10-2015 at 08:58 PM.
#2
Instructor
Thread Starter
In a nut shell....you can save a massive $1,155 buying a fully loaded C7 Z06 compared to the sticker on my 11 ZR1.
2011 ZR1 Fully loaded $122,350
2015 Z06 Fully loaded $121,195
2011 ZR1 Fully loaded $122,350
2015 Z06 Fully loaded $121,195
#4
To be fair though, a 3lz c7 is much nicer than a 3zr c6 interior wise...1lz or 2lz c7 may be a better comparison to a 3zr c6 interior wise. i do agree that c7 z07 package is 100% necessary to compare price points to a zr1 though.
#5
Instructor
Thread Starter
I also have a thing about clowns. The rear looks like a sad clowns face. Personally can't get over it.
However, yes....you are correct that the interior is far better then the C6. However, The 3ZR has the best interior available for that model. So, for me....the comparison still stands at a 3lz for the C7.
On another note. I would never dare post something like this in their forum. While I have my own grips about the car. They don't seem to understand that a person can have an opinion while also agreeing that it is a super nice car. I wouldn't kick it out of my garage...I can't say I would seek it out to purchase either. BUT...and a BIG BUT....If I found a Z06 loaded up with a 3lt and Z07 for the same price that I got the ZR1 for. I would buy it with out blinking an eye.
#6
zr1 accelerates faster and i bet it would pull equal g's with the new cup tires that the c7z has...i was looking into a c7z but something doesnt add up with how slow it is from 60mph+, i dont see the 1lz car having more drag than a zr1...the numbers dont seem to add up with the weight/dyno #s how low the traps are...
Oh, don't get me wrong. I thought the new interior was pretty awesome. Well, up until I seen the inside of a 2013 Viper. Then, I seen what appeared to be the design cues for the C7 interior. After making that association in my mind. I can't help but look at it now and see a re-masked Viper. Kind of killed it for me.
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I also have a thing about clowns. The rear looks like a sad clowns face. Personally can't get over it.
However, yes....you are correct that the interior is far better then the C6. However, The 3ZR has the best interior available for that model. So, for me....the comparison still stands at a 3lz for the C7.
On another note. I would never dare post something like this in their forum. While I have my own grips about the car. They don't seem to understand that a person can have an opinion while also agreeing that it is a super nice car. I wouldn't kick it out of my garage...I can't say I would seek it out to purchase either. BUT...and a BIG BUT....If I found a Z06 loaded up with a 3lt and Z07 for the same price that I got the ZR1 for. I would buy it with out blinking an eye.
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I also have a thing about clowns. The rear looks like a sad clowns face. Personally can't get over it.
However, yes....you are correct that the interior is far better then the C6. However, The 3ZR has the best interior available for that model. So, for me....the comparison still stands at a 3lz for the C7.
On another note. I would never dare post something like this in their forum. While I have my own grips about the car. They don't seem to understand that a person can have an opinion while also agreeing that it is a super nice car. I wouldn't kick it out of my garage...I can't say I would seek it out to purchase either. BUT...and a BIG BUT....If I found a Z06 loaded up with a 3lt and Z07 for the same price that I got the ZR1 for. I would buy it with out blinking an eye.
#7
Instructor
Thread Starter
I'm with you on the numbers being wacky. For starters..... hp and torque line up to be the exact same???? This only happens when all is perfect in the world....or, when you play with the scaling to achieve something that looks pretty on a graph.
Performance wise, everyone that has tested the car comes to the same conclusion. It does every single test better then all the others. But, when put to a test that requires all of the "one off events" put together. It just simply doesn't come together.
Not that any of it really matters to me. However, it's certainly a great car. Its simply not a budget supercar. It is also far from the greatest track car corvette has ever built. King supreme Corvette...um, no.
I can't even say the ZR1 is a great car. It was certainly a very impressive car. Its a really fast car that can be pushed beyond most drivers ability to handle it. Even I struggle keeping this one between the lines when doing 70 and I nail it while the outside temps are around 40 degrees. D*mn thing comes around like a rabid dog that's ready to bite its own tail off. On the other hand...I don't recall GM advertising it as the worlds most track ready supercar on a budget. The best I recall, it was advertised as GM's fastest car ever built most powerful car GM ever built and the most expensive.
But, I have no doubt the new Z06 with the Z07 package is way more car then I could handle anyway...(at least for the first lap, dare say after it cuts down the power...I could handle it then).
Performance wise, everyone that has tested the car comes to the same conclusion. It does every single test better then all the others. But, when put to a test that requires all of the "one off events" put together. It just simply doesn't come together.
Not that any of it really matters to me. However, it's certainly a great car. Its simply not a budget supercar. It is also far from the greatest track car corvette has ever built. King supreme Corvette...um, no.
I can't even say the ZR1 is a great car. It was certainly a very impressive car. Its a really fast car that can be pushed beyond most drivers ability to handle it. Even I struggle keeping this one between the lines when doing 70 and I nail it while the outside temps are around 40 degrees. D*mn thing comes around like a rabid dog that's ready to bite its own tail off. On the other hand...I don't recall GM advertising it as the worlds most track ready supercar on a budget. The best I recall, it was advertised as GM's fastest car ever built most powerful car GM ever built and the most expensive.
But, I have no doubt the new Z06 with the Z07 package is way more car then I could handle anyway...(at least for the first lap, dare say after it cuts down the power...I could handle it then).
#12
Melting Slicks
I really just don't see the point of this thread.
You can't buy a ZR1 for sticker anymore. They're dropping in value...
Seems like you guys are just trying to feel better about having an older generation car??
Newer generations always include stuff you simply can't get in previous generations, so they're always better in specific ways. There's no shame in that, as the C7/C7Z will be a victim of it whenever C8 debuts...
That being said... I'd say value per dollar is higher with a Z06, even for a loaded one. Nicer interior, better diff, next gen suspension, A2DP on bluetooth (which is laughable that C6s after 2010 don't have), etc.
And you're comparing the "every box checked" price of a car that's 5 years to the sticker price of an older car.... To me the real comparison would be a used ZR1 to a new Z06 with similar options... which would start to put the argument in the ZR1s favor. But you're saying a loaded Z06 is $1200 cheaper AND IT'S MORE MODERN CAR... How's this a problem?
You can't buy a ZR1 for sticker anymore. They're dropping in value...
Seems like you guys are just trying to feel better about having an older generation car??
Newer generations always include stuff you simply can't get in previous generations, so they're always better in specific ways. There's no shame in that, as the C7/C7Z will be a victim of it whenever C8 debuts...
That being said... I'd say value per dollar is higher with a Z06, even for a loaded one. Nicer interior, better diff, next gen suspension, A2DP on bluetooth (which is laughable that C6s after 2010 don't have), etc.
And you're comparing the "every box checked" price of a car that's 5 years to the sticker price of an older car.... To me the real comparison would be a used ZR1 to a new Z06 with similar options... which would start to put the argument in the ZR1s favor. But you're saying a loaded Z06 is $1200 cheaper AND IT'S MORE MODERN CAR... How's this a problem?
Last edited by RideZX6R; 02-10-2015 at 09:51 PM.
#13
Instructor
Thread Starter
I really just don't see the point of this thread.
You can't buy a ZR1 for sticker anymore. They're dropping in value...
Seems like you guys are just trying to feel better about having an older generation car??
Newer generations always include stuff you simply can't get in previous generations, so they're always better in specific ways. There's no shame in that, as the C7/C7Z will be a victim of it whenever C8 debuts...
That being said... I'd say value per dollar is higher with a Z06, even for a loaded one. Nicer interior, better diff, next gen suspension, A2DP on bluetooth (which is laughable that C6s after 2010 don't have), etc.
And you're comparing the "every box checked" price of a car that's 5 years to the sticker price of an older car.... To me the real comparison would be a used ZR1 to a new Z06 with similar options... which would start to put the argument in the ZR1s favor. But a loaded ZR1 was in the 115-120k range IIRC, so a loaded Z06 being 120-125 and 5 years newer isn't that bad. Yeah it isn't "cheaper" but it's a newer car with options simply not available to C6ZR1 owners.
You can't buy a ZR1 for sticker anymore. They're dropping in value...
Seems like you guys are just trying to feel better about having an older generation car??
Newer generations always include stuff you simply can't get in previous generations, so they're always better in specific ways. There's no shame in that, as the C7/C7Z will be a victim of it whenever C8 debuts...
That being said... I'd say value per dollar is higher with a Z06, even for a loaded one. Nicer interior, better diff, next gen suspension, A2DP on bluetooth (which is laughable that C6s after 2010 don't have), etc.
And you're comparing the "every box checked" price of a car that's 5 years to the sticker price of an older car.... To me the real comparison would be a used ZR1 to a new Z06 with similar options... which would start to put the argument in the ZR1s favor. But a loaded ZR1 was in the 115-120k range IIRC, so a loaded Z06 being 120-125 and 5 years newer isn't that bad. Yeah it isn't "cheaper" but it's a newer car with options simply not available to C6ZR1 owners.
You are very much correct with this thread. It is 100% pointless and falls in the same category as 99% of the threads on this forum.
#15
Melting Slicks
Sorry, it just sounds like you're trashing the Z06 to make you or others feel better about having an older car... I'm just completely confused as to the point of this is all.
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
#16
Instructor
Thread Starter
Sorry, it just sounds like you're trashing the Z06 to make you or others feel better about having an older car... I'm just completely confused as to the point of this is all.
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
Its also too easy to compare the market value of the ZR1 to a C7 (be it Z06 or base).
I actually think it is a compliment. The new Z06 can be trimmed to be a "cheaper" car. But, it can be "trimmed" to be a very expensive car. The new Z06 is far from cheap. Even at a base model price. Cheap is a smart car at 12K new. I mean come on....we are talking about a fleet of 10-12 smart cars when compared to the cost of a new Z06.
I was one of the first ones in line to test drive a new C7 Stingray. It simply didn't do it for me. But, I held out until the new Z07 hit the lots. It still didn't do it for me. So, I traded in the GS for the ZR1.
I personally like all of the generation of Corvettes. With the exception of the C3 and the C7. However, just because those two generations don't trip my trigger....doesn't mean they are a bad car. It simply means I would not go out of my way to get one.
This and...the atmosphere in the C7 forums, kind of makes me not care much for the car at all.
#19
Sorry, it just sounds like you're trashing the Z06 to make you or others feel better about having an older car... I'm just completely confused as to the point of this is all.
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
Specifically confused as to why the argument of used ZR1 vs new Z06 wasn't made but instead the MSRP of each when new?
#20
Instructor
Thread Starter
I never seen the middle picture interior in your post. That one got me digging around. for the 11 year run of the C4. The middle picture shows the interior that was used for 90-93. The top and bottom pictures shows the very last year in 94. After that, it was dropped all together for almost 20 years.
I think I found more comfort in the thought of a ripped off Viper rather then a "fresh" 20 year old design brought back to life.
I think I found more comfort in the thought of a ripped off Viper rather then a "fresh" 20 year old design brought back to life.