mtomlin1

Guys

Can headers be removed through top of engine bay?

I have an issue with my starter motor with heat soak and want to get my headers wrapped and was going to do it myself but not sure if I need a lift to get the headers off?

Thanks

Matt

Buddy A

Don't need a lift, but do need to raise the car to access from below. Ramps should be enough to do the job.

mtomlin1

I have axle stands and stuff just interested if they come out top or only down side

JaredW

You should be able to get the pass side out from the top.

Unreal

How are you figuring starter motor heat issues?

mtomlin1

Going to wrap the headers and put a heat shield on the starter motor.

MTPZ06

Header wrap can cause metal fatigue over time amongst other things. Have them coated by a quality vendor.

mtomlin1

Already coated

Unreal

I have ARH headers, drive the car in 120+ weather, and never had "starter heatsoak". I think this is a commonly misdiagnosed issues. I have had a battery that didn't want to crank fast when super hot out. New battery fixed that. Also a lot of tuners/tunes, especially if injectors are swapped don't address the hot starting tables, and make it harder and longer for the car to start, which people then think is a starter heat issue. My car use to have hard start issues when hot, adjusted one table, and now fires up just fine when hot, no issues.

So make sure you are fixing the right issue, because I have yet to see this be a real problem.

MTPZ06

Then you shouldn't need header wrap.

mtomlin1

Mine is defiantly a cranking issue rather than struggling to start

It cranked super slow one day and all the crank sensors etc went off and had to do a battery off reset.

I do have a speed density tune on the car though would that effect it ?

Can someone tell me what I need to speak to my tuner about in order for him to look at the tune.

Unreal

Just tell him it is having hot start issues. If he doesn't know what to adjust, find a new tuner.

mtomlin1

But the issues not the car firing up its the crank when I push the start.

It's a delayed slow crank

Still think it's the tune ??

double06

Mine was a little loose and tightened it up and it helped. Lift up fuse box cover in engine you will see the lug there.

Unreal

Clean starter connections. Make sure battery is good. That is what I've seen cause this.

mtomlin1

cheers guys will do

Dan_the_C5_Man

Well.. Here is my take -

1. Not all header "coatings" are created equal, in fact, just the opposite. You have material and application differences that can dramatically effect the efficacy. Coating the outside is more or less a waste of time - the outside surface temp quickly rises to that of the metal underneath. You must coat the inside to provide meaningful protection - there are only a few that know how to do this properly, and even in that case, over time the coating can / will flake off, then you could end up with semi-clogged CATs..

2. There is no question that header wraps (a high-quality one like DEI Ti) offer superior heat containment as compared to ceramic coatings.

3. Yes, I do agree that depending on the type of driving (street vs. racing), hours on the header, etc. that it is possible for the header material to wear away at an accelerated rate with a header wrap. I would never wrap a mild steel header, and I personally "chickend out" wrapping my SS Kooks, which at this point I am semi-regretful of (I probably would have wrapped sections of them to protect the surrounding components). I ended up protecting everything else instead.

Heat containment and management is the number one reason not to install headers - everything else (besides cost) is usually a positive.

Depending on what coating he has and how it was applied, it could be totally ineffective.

MTPZ06

Agreed Dan, which is why I prefaced my statement with "quality vendor". You definitely get what you pay for with ceramic coatings.

mtomlin1

Mine are swain tech coated , this was arranged by ARH before they were delivered to me

MTPZ06

That's certainly good stuff...