Notices
C6 Corvette ZR1 & Z06 General info about GM’s Corvette Supercar, LS9 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Kraken

[Z06] Worst Day with My Z

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-06-2017, 01:27 PM
  #41  
Unreal
Team Owner
 
Unreal's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Gilbert AZ
Posts: 24,035
Received 2,313 Likes on 1,793 Posts

Default

Not only that, but pushrod length would be off, so anyone that measures pushrods would notice something was off.
Old 06-06-2017, 01:39 PM
  #42  
MTPZ06
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
MTPZ06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2008
Location: Honolulu HI
Posts: 35,883
Received 1,592 Likes on 1,335 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by itomh
How in the world did they missed putting the lash caps on? I just received my heads from AHP the past Saturday, upon opening the box was typed in bold " DO NOT FORGET TO INSTALL LASH CAPS" about 10 times, highlighted in red. you couldn't have taken the heads out of the box without seeing it. Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder wouldn't have missed it!
Not to mention those are required on OE replacement heads as well...clearly the work was done by a tech that was inexperienced in LS7 valvetrain matters.
Old 06-06-2017, 01:53 PM
  #43  
murf257
Pro
Thread Starter
 
murf257's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2011
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 701
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 22 Posts

Default Worst Day

It was a GM dealership
Old 06-06-2017, 02:16 PM
  #44  
cv67
Team Owner
 
cv67's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: altered state
Posts: 81,242
Received 3,043 Likes on 2,602 Posts
St. Jude Donor '05

Default

that sucks!
Such a nice car and these kinds of problems
Old 06-06-2017, 06:10 PM
  #45  
murf257
Pro
Thread Starter
 
murf257's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2011
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 701
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 22 Posts

Default

I received a phone call from the Service Manager who stated 'they know they screwed up and will makes things right!' I said I hope you are a man of your word!

Tomorrow they hopefully will be able to remove the head and see what the damage is exactly.

From there they will make a determination as to their plan.

I requested I get a phone call when the heads is removed!

I know some of you won't understand as to how I feel but to be honest its as if someone died.

I would appreciate any negative comments about my feelings you keep to yourself, its pretty raw right now!!
The following users liked this post:
Landru (04-02-2018)
Old 06-06-2017, 06:21 PM
  #46  
Ron'sGS
Burning Brakes
 
Ron'sGS's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,077
Received 266 Likes on 198 Posts
Default

I hope things work out for you. I hope they will replace the engine.
Old 06-06-2017, 07:46 PM
  #47  
Red Devil
Drifting
 
Red Devil's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Location: Toronto Ontario
Posts: 1,870
Received 135 Likes on 93 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by murf257
I received a phone call from the Service Manager who stated 'they know they screwed up and will makes things right!' I said I hope you are a man of your word!

Tomorrow they hopefully will be able to remove the head and see what the damage is exactly.

From there they will make a determination as to their plan.

I requested I get a phone call when the heads is removed!

I know some of you won't understand as to how I feel but to be honest its as if someone died.

I would appreciate any negative comments about my feelings you keep to yourself, its pretty raw right now!!
I feel for you, my car is an extension of my family and a big part of what makes me, me! I hope everything works out for you, please keep us up to date as things develop.
Old 06-06-2017, 09:14 PM
  #48  
Mike44665
Pro
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Mike44665's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2015
Posts: 508
Received 76 Likes on 62 Posts
Default

Fastest solution, I think. GM LS7 short block. Heads from AH, no core for one head on them. Clean the oil system while waiting on parts.

I can totally understand your feelings at this moment.
Old 06-07-2017, 12:02 AM
  #49  
DWRAT
Instructor
 
DWRAT's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Posts: 214
Received 18 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by murf257
I received a phone call from the Service Manager who stated 'they know they screwed up and will makes things right!' I said I hope you are a man of your word!

Tomorrow they hopefully will be able to remove the head and see what the damage is exactly.

From there they will make a determination as to their plan.

I requested I get a phone call when the heads is removed!

I know some of you won't understand as to how I feel but to be honest its as if someone died.

I would appreciate any negative comments about my feelings you keep to yourself, its pretty raw right now!!
I feel for you bro, big time....
I think the fact that they are already owning up to it is great news.
Just keep in mind, this to shall pass.
Old 06-07-2017, 12:59 AM
  #50  
SocalChvy
Drifting
 
SocalChvy's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Location: Los Angeles CA
Posts: 1,437
Received 83 Likes on 54 Posts

Default

Glad to see that the dealer is owning this one.
Old 06-07-2017, 09:30 AM
  #51  
EviLS7
Pro
 
EviLS7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2017
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 678
Received 97 Likes on 87 Posts
Default

This is why I do everything to my car myself. Glad the dealership is owning up to it and replacing it, but hopefully this time they have an actual ASE certified GM technician who knows what they are doing work on it.
Old 06-07-2017, 09:32 AM
  #52  
meanjoe
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
meanjoe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2012
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 4,066
Received 235 Likes on 166 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by itomh
How in the world did they missed putting the lash caps on? I just received my heads from AHP the past Saturday, upon opening the box was typed in bold " DO NOT FORGET TO INSTALL LASH CAPS" about 10 times, highlighted in red. you couldn't have taken the heads out of the box without seeing it. Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder wouldn't have missed it!
I'm curious what the reason would be for not just installing them before they get shipped. It's not like they'll be coming off during shipping, you need pliers to get them off. I guess this is a good question for AHP. Maybe they'll reply.
Old 06-07-2017, 09:59 AM
  #53  
.gearhead.
Racer
 
.gearhead.'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago IL
Posts: 497
Received 124 Likes on 88 Posts

Default

Just a tip, and maybe you're already doing this. Try to get any commitments or admissions in writing. At least voicemail. In the event someone up the food chain denies reimbursement, any documented admission of fault would become valuable.

Again, good luck on a speedy resolution.
The following users liked this post:
Movie Muscle (06-10-2017)
Old 06-07-2017, 12:20 PM
  #54  
Durien512
Racer
 
Durien512's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2004
Posts: 307
Received 31 Likes on 30 Posts

Default

Wow!! That's a bummer ... sounds like a new motor build is coming up though ...

Good luck !
Old 06-07-2017, 02:04 PM
  #55  
JasonAndrew
Safety Car
 
JasonAndrew's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,615
Received 270 Likes on 169 Posts
Default

I'm in LITH as well. Was it a local Chevy dealer?

Regards
Old 06-07-2017, 02:37 PM
  #56  
itomh
Pro
 
itomh's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2016
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 626
Received 117 Likes on 91 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by meanjoe
I'm curious what the reason would be for not just installing them before they get shipped. It's not like they'll be coming off during shipping, you need pliers to get them off. I guess this is a good question for AHP. Maybe they'll reply.
AHP doesn't install these. You are suppose to take lash caps, rockers, and pushrods off your old heads yourself before sending them to AHP and transfer them to the reworked heads when the get shipped back to you.
Old 06-07-2017, 03:07 PM
  #57  
American Heritage
Supporting Vendor
 
American Heritage's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2013
Location: Harbor City California
Posts: 2,817
Received 1,012 Likes on 533 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by meanjoe
I'm curious what the reason would be for not just installing them before they get shipped. It's not like they'll be coming off during shipping, you need pliers to get them off. I guess this is a good question for AHP. Maybe they'll reply.
We don't ship our heads with the lash caps installed for liability reasons.
I know its very unlikely a lash cap could come off during shipping but it is possible one could come off. In fact we have had customers ship heads to us without removing the lash caps and upon removal of the heads from the box we have found caps in the the bottom of the box (came off during shipping).
Again this is highly unlikely the caps would come off during shipping but since its a possibility that it could occur we do not ship the heads with the caps installed.

All our heads ship out with giant caution notes stating "must install intake valve lash caps".
We request customers remove the intake valve lash caps before shipping but if a customer forgets and ships us his heads with lash caps installed we make a note of it, bag the caps and tape them directly bellow the giant note/warning stating "Must Install Intake Valve Lash Caps".

The OP asked us to call the dealer and speak with them about what occurred. When we spoke with the dealership service writer as well as the actual Tech that did the work about why the caps were not reinstalled and if he noticed the warning's/reminders to install the caps that are all over the packing. The Tech said he did see all the warnings/cautions to install the lash caps but for some reason thought the warnings did not apply to him (his words).
With that said even if he thought all the warning notes did not apply to him there are still several other warning signs something is wrong as you start to reassemble without lash caps. The tech should have noticed how much lower the intake valve sits than the exhaust valve without the cap installed (the caps are pretty thick). The tech should have noticed the lack of preload on the intake side vs the preload on the exhaust side when he was tightening the rockers. The tech should have noticed the loud tapping noise he would have heard the second he started the car with no lash caps installed. Forgetting to install anything when reassembling a vehicle is unacceptable, especially something as vital as intake valve lash caps.

Last edited by American Heritage; 06-07-2017 at 03:19 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by American Heritage:
Landru (06-07-2017), SSMOKE (06-08-2017)

Get notified of new replies

To Worst Day with My Z

Old 06-07-2017, 03:59 PM
  #58  
EviLS7
Pro
 
EviLS7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2017
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 678
Received 97 Likes on 87 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by American Heritage
We don't ship our heads with the lash caps installed for liability reasons.
I know its very unlikely a lash cap could come off during shipping but it is possible one could come off. In fact we have had customers ship heads to us without removing the lash caps and upon removal of the heads from the box we have found caps in the the bottom of the box (came off during shipping).
Again this is highly unlikely the caps would come off during shipping but since its a possibility that it could occur we do not ship the heads with the caps installed.

All our heads ship out with giant caution notes stating "must install intake valve lash caps".
We request customers remove the intake valve lash caps before shipping but if a customer forgets and ships us his heads with lash caps installed we make a note of it, bag the caps and tape them directly bellow the giant note/warning stating "Must Install Intake Valve Lash Caps".

The OP asked us to call the dealer and speak with them about what occurred. When we spoke with the dealership service writer as well as the actual Tech that did the work about why the caps were not reinstalled and if he noticed the warning's/reminders to install the caps that are all over the packing. The Tech said he did see all the warnings/cautions to install the lash caps but for some reason thought the warnings did not apply to him (his words).
With that said even if he thought all the warning notes did not apply to him there are still several other warning signs something is wrong as you start to reassemble without lash caps. The tech should have noticed how much lower the intake valve sits than the exhaust valve without the cap installed (the caps are pretty thick). The tech should have noticed the lack of preload on the intake side vs the preload on the exhaust side when he was tightening the rockers. The tech should have noticed the loud tapping noise he would have heard the second he started the car with no lash caps installed. Forgetting to install anything when reassembling a vehicle is unacceptable, especially something as vital as intake valve lash caps.
Well that technician is probably fired. But look at the bright side you get a brand new LS7 and they can pay to get the new heads redone.
Old 06-07-2017, 04:54 PM
  #59  
pcguy2u
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
pcguy2u's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2010
Location: On the coast North of SF bay
Posts: 2,740
Received 107 Likes on 77 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by American Heritage
The Tech said he did see all the warnings/cautions to install the lash caps but for some reason thought the warnings did not apply to him (his words).
Did you get any feel for how it was he didn't pursue the presence of bagged caps - question to anyone????
Old 06-07-2017, 05:04 PM
  #60  
449er
Race Director
 
449er's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 10,677
Received 4,711 Likes on 2,998 Posts
2023 C6 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
2022 C6 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
2021 C6 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
Default

Originally Posted by stock z
you are scare me i got head rework@ AHP with basic 4,and i just done install to my car,engine idle good,but i got air in brake system. can not drive no where
What the ??? Do we not teach proper English & punctuation anymore?


Quick Reply: [Z06] Worst Day with My Z



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:47 PM.