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Old 01-29-2018, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by injfuel
Am I missing something or did nobody see that he posted the headers were touching the frame and that's one of the issues he wanted to address while it was at the shop ?!?!?!?!?!
That could and would be exactly what would be causing the false knock right ??????
It does state they fixed the header issue but it just seems like maybe it isn't totally fixed ? I don't know it just seems header to frame contact is one of the main culprits for false knock
Also the number the op is stating , are those with the car at only 10 degrees of timing ? Cause obviously if the issue is fixed he'd pick up a good amount of hp and tq with the timing where it should be , maybe like 530/490 ??
The X-pipe was the only thing touching and that was the first thing fixed. The dyno numbers they got were the best they could get with 22 deg of timing I think. It's obviously a lot lower at 10 deg. My question is, if it were false knock, the noise wouldn't go away when we reduce the timing would it? It has to be knock if we can't hear it when we set it to 10 deg. We can put 22 back in it and immediately hear it. But it's just a slight, light flutter noise, not loud at all. Sounds just like the shifter lightly rattling or something sitting in the cup holder rattling.
Old 01-29-2018, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by realcanuk
I assumed if they knew the headers were touching, that they addressed that issue. I would be silly not to.
Yes I agree , but all the evidence seems to point towards false knock readings
Old 01-29-2018, 12:43 PM
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My first V8 car was a 91 Z28. I nearly pulled out every hair chasing a power loss/overheat issue. At the end of a LONG story, I had a clogged cat LMAO! #flashbacks

It's worth checking!
Old 01-29-2018, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ncsurveyor2007
The X-pipe was the only thing touching and that was the first thing fixed. The dyno numbers they got were the best they could get with 22 deg of timing I think. It's obviously a lot lower at 10 deg. My question is, if it were false knock, the noise wouldn't go away when we reduce the timing would it? It has to be knock if we can't hear it when we set it to 10 deg. We can put 22 back in it and immediately hear it. But it's just a slight, light flutter noise, not loud at all. Sounds just like the shifter lightly rattling or something sitting in the cup holder rattling.
Yea that all makes sense , these issues are so frustrating because your just throwing guesses at the problem , and your numbers are def low if that was at 22 degrees of timing , something crazy would have to be going on to have knock all the way down around 10 degrees of timing even on 91 octane
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Again, Have Tick pull a plug after a wot pull with the timing in it and check the spark plug. Preferably a new set. Detonation will show up on a plug.

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Old 01-29-2018, 02:58 PM
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I don't think the plug trick works without a brand new plug. Even then, the KR are going to calm the knock quickly. Some 116 octane fuel sounds like a better test to me.
Old 01-29-2018, 03:22 PM
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Yeah they're gonna check the exhaust to make sure it isn't clogged or whatever and put some high octane race fuel in to verify knock. I'm wondering if I shouldn't have had the heads milled with a cam that small? Could that cause issue?
Old 01-29-2018, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ncsurveyor2007
Yeah they're gonna check the exhaust to make sure it isn't clogged or whatever and put some high octane race fuel in to verify knock. I'm wondering if I shouldn't have had the heads milled with a cam that small? Could that cause issue?
Only if the heads were milled more than once or too much was cut off them. Both aren't likely scenarios.
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Originally Posted by Tech
Only if the heads were milled more than once or too much was cut off them. Both aren't likely scenarios.
I agree, both unlikely....I just hope we don't tear into it and then can't find the problem.
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Any updates?
Old 02-01-2018, 09:19 AM
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Stupid question: they want to mill the heads? Wouldn't this cause more compression, and or detonation ?
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. I have a custom cam that is almost identical in specs to the BTR 2. A good tuner should be able to dial that cam in and get almost stock drivability with almost no surge or hesitation. Mine drives great. I made almost 560/490. But dyno numbers are just that - numbers. Hopefully you can get the issues worked out first and then dial it in with a great tune!

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Old 02-01-2018, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird29
Any updates?
Shop said it would be a couple of weeks before they can tear I to it, so I'm just waiting at this point.
Old 02-01-2018, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndrew
Stupid question: they want to mill the heads? Wouldn't this cause more compression, and or detonation ?
No they aren't wanting to mill them any more. They're gonna cc the heads just to verify they are what we think they are. Then prob go from there and check the cam.
Old 04-05-2018, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ncsurveyor2007
No they aren't wanting to mill them any more. They're gonna cc the heads just to verify they are what we think they are. Then prob go from there and check the cam.
Did you get everything figured out?
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im wondering the same. any updates???
Old 04-05-2018, 09:22 AM
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The shop still has my car. They've had it since January 19. Didn't even start working on it until last week and I know that because I saw a pic of it on a lift on their Facebook page. I'm beginning to get a little aggravated....

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Old 04-05-2018, 09:40 AM
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Since January. Oh man I would have lost it.
Old 04-05-2018, 10:52 AM
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A little aggravated? If they would've charged me a dime I'd have lost my proverbial **** at them. Dude...it's APRIL! Subbing for input/updates too. BTW OP, I'm local to you man if you need bro level help.

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Old 04-05-2018, 11:32 AM
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Yeah I'm trying to just remain patient, I know everyone is busy but the plan is to just pull the heads and cam to see if anything is wrong. I don't understand why it's taking so long. Gonna give them another call today. I think it's an issue of working on the cars of the owners who are asking the most for them. If I'm not calling asking about it, it's not getting worked on...


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