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Old 02-12-2018, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dmuellenberg
If there is an issue with the valves not being concentric with the valve seats, I would say that is a design issue, not necessarily a machining issue. I'm guessing that is a different issue than the machining problem they identified and said they corrected. But I could be wrong, I'm no expert. All we can agree on is that there are still issues with excessive valve guide wear even after they said they corrected the machining error, which tells me there are other issues involved.
.The part you are missing is the (all) machining error(s) were never corrected.. And if your proof to the contrary is "..because GM said so..", all we can do is..

This mystery was solved long ago..

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Old 02-12-2018, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dmuellenberg
If there is an issue with the valves not being concentric with the valve seats, I would say that is a design issue, not necessarily a machining issue.
Not when competent machine shops like AHP, WCCH, etc, can correct the guide to seat runout/concentricity issues through merely completing a proper valve job. At least, that's my opinion...

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Old 02-12-2018, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dmuellenberg
If there is an issue with the valves not being concentric with the valve seats, I would say that is a design issue, not necessarily a machining issue. I'm guessing that is a different issue than the machining problem they identified and said they corrected. But I could be wrong, I'm no expert. All we can agree on is that there are still issues with excessive valve guide wear even after they said they corrected the machining error, which tells me there are other issues involved.
Linimar uses a CNC machine to do the guides and do the seats separately, thus poor programming yields non-concentric valves/seats.

Most head companies install and hone the guides and then use the guide as the guide for the tool to machine the seats, assuring concentricity.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:56 AM
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Also did not mention 2012-13 rod bearing issue.
Old 02-15-2018, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird29
Also did not mention 2012-13 rod bearing issue.
Yeah, thats my main point, disservice not mentioning the glaring issues, recall of fuse box for headlights, ie. They didnt have to go into detail for that article, but at least mention them.

Not everyone that owns c6z06 reads this forum or even gets mailings if purchased used.
Old 02-15-2018, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AzDave47
Linimar uses a CNC machine to do the guides and do the seats separately, thus poor programming yields non-concentric valves/seats.

Most head companies install and hone the guides and then use the guide as the guide for the tool to machine the seats, assuring concentricity.
..and potentially worn or inadequetly cooled tooling, etc.
Old 02-18-2018, 05:44 PM
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So many "experts" on machining. The guides and seats are machined at the same time with the same tool. Period. The issue comes from the guides. The inner ID isn't concentric with the outer OD. The drill and reamer follow the hole.
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The rod bearing issue is with some 2013 cars, and does not include the 2012 model year.
Old 02-18-2018, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by farmington
So many "experts" on machining. The guides and seats are machined at the same time with the same tool. Period. The issue comes from the guides. The inner ID isn't concentric with the outer OD. The drill and reamer follow the hole.
Wrong, the OEM heads are machined (Linimar) by CNC machine and the seats are not machined using the guides as the pilot hole for doing the valve seats. That is why they come from the supplier non-concentric. If done right there would be no problem. This has been explained in a few posts and in a few articles.

You are correct that normal aftermarket valve work installs the guides, hones them and then use the guides to cut the valve seats, assuring the valves are concentric with the seats.
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The same tool does the finish on the seats AND the guide. GM has used this system for many years. I work with these tools every day.
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Originally Posted by farmington
The same tool does the finish on the seats AND the guide. GM has used this system for many years. I work with these tools every day.
GM doesn't do the LS7 heads, their contractor Linimar delivers them finished and assembled to the Vette plant in KY. It is not GMs messup (other than lack of oversight and QC).
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Heads were never corrected they were all Fuuuuccccct
Old 02-19-2018, 11:27 AM
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Why do people quote these magazines when the REAL WORLD proves otherwise? SMH.
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I'm considering picking up a Z06 in the next few months. Would I be in the clear on this valve guide issue if I limit my search to '06-07?
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Originally Posted by aaronsdropzone
I'm considering picking up a Z06 in the next few months. Would I be in the clear on this valve guide issue if I limit my search to '06-07?
No. I have an 07 an my guides were outta spec. Id have them checked, but no reason to not look for a car. Any car should be checked if they havent been addressed already.



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