Tony @ Mamo Motorsports

And another 3rd party independent dyno record set on Tick Performance's dyno where this build was ultimately tuned and tested

This is the highest SBE that they have ever rolled on their dyno (per my customer). For the guys who have been following the results from my LS7 gear the last year or two, this build marks the 14th time this has happened that I know about.

And I can only imagine how many cars have rolled on this dyno knowing how popular Tick Performance is....they must have tested ALOT of different combinations making this feat that much more significant at this particular shop.


Absolutely beautiful power and torque curve.....the lower curve is 93 pump gas.....the stronger curve is E60. This is also another example of an MMS LS7 combo that carries a 100 more peak HP than peak TQ which is very impressive (the more your familiar with the mathematics behind the numbers the more you will appreciate that fact).




Per my customers quick email earlier today....

Hey brother!! The car is an absolute beast still! pulls like a train. everyone thinks it has a procharger on it too haha.

What's even more interesting is this dyno result is still on the stock (heavy!) OEM LS7 clutch and is only running 1.875 headers as well. Both of those mods are worth real power on a build like this....even one of them would have put this build well over the 650 mark....if both were installed (a lighter clutch and the larger headers) it would have easily cleared 660 (on this particular dyno at least).

This build has 12.5 to 1 static compression and is running my MMS 3.8X cam (247 @ .050 on the intake.....same cam Jay Fabs just knocked down 655 RWHP with a couple weeks ago). In fact this build is very similar to Jacob's.....same compression and similar modifications to my MMS 265 heads.

Im sure Josh (the owner) will chime in at some point.....I dont have alot of time now but wanted to get this posted up as more proof to the few naysayers still left out there of exactly the type of potential my LS7 combinations have to offer.

Are these budget builds? Of course not

Do you get what you pay for? This result I just shared is just another proof positive that you do and in fact I would make a strong argument that my builds, while potentially costing more than reworking stock heads or buying budget LS7 gear from other vendors, offer you alot more "value" when its all said and done.

Like most of your more expensive purchases in life....most of the time if your willing to spend a little more the potential is there for you to get ALOT more and that is the true meaning of value. In the end this hobby is a disease.....its better to spend a little more the first time than spending alot more the 2nd and 3rd time when your chasing what you may have left on the table the first time in an effort to save money. If you have been modding cars long enough, most of you already know how true that statement is.

Guys if any of you are considering having me help you with a combination feel free to PM, call or email me....Im usually pretty quick at getting back to everyone and try to make myself as available as I can to help you both during and after the sale.

Josh, I enjoyed working with you......a big congrats on the build.....enjoy the car and if you have anything noteworthy to add to this thread by all means hop in here and share!



Cheers,
Tony

Innovate

Was this recent? I saw a couple of weeks ago they had one of your setups on a dyno. That one made 620ish rwhp.

Tick is a good shop, I run a Tick cam. They made 600 rwhp on their dyno with a similar setup as mine currently.

Tony @ Mamo Motorsports

Check out the dyno graph.....looks like it was tested on May 30th, so about a month or so ago.

To be honest I just found out about the results recently or I would have shared the info with you guys sooner (good news tends to travel slow.....LOL).

Perhaps it was the same car on the 93 octane tune before they finished tweaking and perfecting it?

Im sure the owner will pop in here at some point and say hello.....you can inquire about the color of the car etc. to get a better idea

So you being somewhat familiar with this dyno, is it safe to assume even 600 RWHP is a fairly stout number on it?

-Tony

Innovate

Jayfabs

jmann0501

Silver Bullet C6

This build runs 93 octane at 12.5 CR ? I didn't think this was possible or suggested.

jmann0501

redcycle13

My MMS LS7 combo runs 12.4 compression on 93 octane pump fuel, and the shop who tuned the car said it was safe to beat on with pump fuel. It makes over 600 on pump as well, but really makes great power on E85 blends.

Che70velle

Che70velle

Navy Blue 210

Congrats OP & Tony Excellent Results!

Tony @ Mamo Motorsports

Good point....honestly it wouldn't be possible with stock heads (to many sharp edges in the chambers) and it would still be risky with ported OEM heads and even aftermarket CNC heads for similar reasons.

Check out the chambers of my MMS 265 heads though for comparison.....fully CNC'ed and then hand finished.....not a sharp edge to be found.....the chamber "softened" everywhere allowing it to tolerate more ignition lead and not be as prone to detonation. This process is included in the purchase price of my heads....its not an additional cost option.



There are a few other reasons my builds will tolerate more static compression also....one of them is I always optimize the quench distance on most of my customers builds (at least the ones that follow my guidance and advice....LOL)

The other less obvious reason is my cylinder head designs are typically very efficient and have exceptional airspeed which does numerous good things to help the outcome of the build in a very positive way. One of them helping to reduce puddling and better atomize the fuel prior to lighting off. The higher airspeed and additional charge inertia is a big reason why torque and horsepower output is typically higher as well. Its not just about total CFM guys.....its about airspeed and total CFM.

In fact I have been to many a dyno test (back when I was handling all of AFR's design and product development) and alot of my port designs were smaller in volume than my competitors but they typically flowed the same if not more. The outcome of that in independent testing was not only did we make more torque at the time but the smaller port still mustered more peak power as well which was contrary to some schools of thought regarding cylinder head design. In fact many years ago I decided to send an oval port BBC head to a rectangular port head test shootout that Richard Holdener orchestrated at the time. The owner of AFR was shall I say very skeptical of my choice to send them the new oval port I recently designed with the analogy that I was bringing a knife to a gunfight....LOL While I did enjoy that analogy I felt differently about it and assured him we would still fare well in the test and have the chance to (hopefully) show that a well designed oval port could still be competitive (to be honest I was hoping to be in the top three when the smoke from the dyno cleared). Also my response to his knife to a gunfight was that everyone would expect us to lose anyway so we couldn't really come up with too much egg on our face....LOL

As fate would have it that test turned out even better than I had hoped and we ended up taking first place in both torque and HP in that particular shootout and it really made for a good story at the time for all involved (needless to say Rick at AFR was especially relieved and pleased!)

This is a true story that I share with you guys to make a point that there are alot of different facets of cylinder head design to consider....all of which that can come into play and effect the end results (aka your dyno numbers and the shape of your power and torque curve). Judging the effectiveness of a cylinder head purely by looking at peak flow numbers doesnt even represent half of the real picture....there is alot more involved.

And hey....what do you know....turns out a little Googling allowed me to locate that BBC shootout I referenced above.....looks like Super Chevy covered the story back in 2012!

Its a good technical read if any of you have an interest and it highlights all the flow numbers from all the various heads tested and the final power and torque figures as well (eight sets were tested in total)

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/pro...ut-the-o-vs-r/

Good stuff

-Tony

RamAir972003

I hope you have 10degrees of timing at wot and no detenation I wouldn't be boasting about that time bomb 💣 Texas heat you wouldn't survive 1week.....then you have to worry about bad batch of gas we all know gas is not always good.
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furiousox

Crazy numbers! Anybody know what stock C6Zs typically put down on that dyno though?

Tony @ Mamo Motorsports

Clearly the guys running aggressive flex fuel set ups are not getting aggressive with the pump gas tune up.....there is no need to

It's a much safer, much more conservative tune (alot less timing and more fuel) but you would be surprised what you can get away with when you pay attention to all the details of the combination.....pretty much the point I was trying to make in my previous post.

Also if your not going to get after the static compression some it doesnt make much sense to invest in the flex fuel set-up to begin with in an N/A combination

Some of this is common sense....I think most of my flex fuel customers with set ups like these are smart enough not to go road racing on their 93 octane tune on a 100 degree day in Houston....not to mention we have discussed these types of things in advance when we were initially consulting about the build prior to actually kicking off the project.

-Tony

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Innovate

Vox Machina

Damn! Another killer Mamo LS7 build. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these someday.

Congrats!! Setting a record on a dyno as popular as Tick's speaks volumes to the time and effort that went into the motor. How's the car to drive? What's the power delivery like?

The guys over at Tick are good people. I've bought a fair number of things from them over the years and they've always been incredibly helpful, even when I'm calling them just before closing with some no-brainer questions lol.

jmann0501

chuntington101