[ZR1] Why no automatic for ZR1?
03-04-2011, 04:04 PM
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Callaway Corvette Grand Sport has over 600 HP and a automatic.
03-04-2011, 04:41 PM
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03-04-2011, 05:01 PM
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Interesting fors and against. I think in the next year or two; one way or another GM will get a dual clutch transmission for all their manual cars now. The competition is doing it now; they certain want more buyers of their cars and that is the reasoning behind the DCT.
I may buy a ZR1 if it has either a DCT or an Automatic. I drive mostly everywhere and there is stop and go traffic on the highways now at regular hours.
I may buy a ZR1 if it has either a DCT or an Automatic. I drive mostly everywhere and there is stop and go traffic on the highways now at regular hours.
03-04-2011, 11:15 PM
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Automakers are turning to the "flappy-paddle" gear boxes due to their cars making increased power and being more difficult for their fat, lazy, and talentless owners to control.
03-04-2011, 11:45 PM
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I don't agree AT ALL with that statement. Road course maybe... but still the tranny in my GTR was heads and tails better than ANY other of the 40+ cars I have owned. And the new PDK in the Turbo is awesome as well. If Chevy came out with a decent tranny like those I would buy it in a heartbeat in a ZR1
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03-04-2011, 11:53 PM
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Fish heads are probably happier with GTR's, agreed. Okay, I'm just kidding, but about this I'm serious as a heart attack...the ZR1 is way more fun to drive than the GTR, and I do like the GTR!
03-05-2011, 01:27 AM
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Actually...
Callaway does make available, our 5 yr / 100,000 mile Powertrain Warranty on our cars. See your dealer for details
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03-05-2011, 01:29 AM
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03-05-2011, 01:30 AM
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It's not cost effective for them to bother. The transmission in the V won't fit in the rear end of the Corvette without... work. And that work costs money. And they won't sell enough cars to make it worth their effort.
So essentially the answer stays: they don't have an automatic that'll work with the ZR1's (or the Z06's) torque output. Trust me, they'd do it if it were cost effective.
jas
So essentially the answer stays: they don't have an automatic that'll work with the ZR1's (or the Z06's) torque output. Trust me, they'd do it if it were cost effective.
jas
We have a winner. I hate to say it but a true dual clutch trans is better than a regular manual in almost every way when it come to racing. Isn't that what the ZR1 is for. Didn't Chevy just introduce the dual clutch trans with their racing team? Its not hard to turn that into an auto. That being said in a Corvette I still want a M6. If I had a Ferrari 599 then I want paddles.
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03-05-2011, 07:00 AM
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03-05-2011, 08:32 AM
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Yeah, those stupid flappy paddles should be replaced with a cluch and a manual tranny on F1. For maximum racing performance, you do NOT want a manual transmission nor do you want what GM has available currently. Give me what Porsche and Ferrari have, flappy paddles and all.
If they started offering a dual clutch like the GTR or the Porsche in a ZR1 they would outsell 6 speeds 4 to 1 IMO.
03-05-2011, 10:01 AM
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03-05-2011, 10:38 AM
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Now that's how a "flappy paddle" car should shift and sound. 
Even so, I don't think I'd be drawn to a ZR1 with the same trans as the F430. For me there is just something "American" about rowing the gears with a small-block V8 in front of me and massive rear tires behind me going up in smoke. Call me crazy if you must!
Any other car outside of the vette I wouldn't mind a very nice paddle shifting trans. My sights are set on the F430 just for that reason.
Not in my vette though!
Even so, I don't think I'd be drawn to a ZR1 with the same trans as the F430. For me there is just something "American" about rowing the gears with a small-block V8 in front of me and massive rear tires behind me going up in smoke. Call me crazy if you must!
Any other car outside of the vette I wouldn't mind a very nice paddle shifting trans. My sights are set on the F430 just for that reason.
Not in my vette though!
03-05-2011, 10:57 AM
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I'd take paddles in a F430 as well but the topic started by the op is, Why no Automatic?
You can howl to the moon about the PDQ, DCT, the fact is they are 'manumatics' not automatics. They eliminate the 3rd pedal (which is unfortunate). Alonso gets to keep his, why not me? Manumatics are very notchy and tiresome to live with in the automatic mode, and actually somewhat of a pain in the manual mode in a daily driving sense, because you don't have control over neutral, still have a torque converter.
Although panned because upshifts take 10-20 ms longer than a DCT, the sequential gear box in the LFA or the 8-spd in the IS-F are much smoother in the fully automatic mode than any of the dual clutch transmissions, also weigh less, probably more reliable and less complex.
You can howl to the moon about the PDQ, DCT, the fact is they are 'manumatics' not automatics. They eliminate the 3rd pedal (which is unfortunate). Alonso gets to keep his, why not me? Manumatics are very notchy and tiresome to live with in the automatic mode, and actually somewhat of a pain in the manual mode in a daily driving sense, because you don't have control over neutral, still have a torque converter.
Although panned because upshifts take 10-20 ms longer than a DCT, the sequential gear box in the LFA or the 8-spd in the IS-F are much smoother in the fully automatic mode than any of the dual clutch transmissions, also weigh less, probably more reliable and less complex.
03-05-2011, 11:48 AM
#57
Melting Slicks
I respectfully disagree
I have a 997 911 TT with a tiptronic tranny and it's a blast. I am pushing 800 BHP and ~688 WHP with approx. 650 FT# tq. It is a blast to drive on the track or street and is quicker than another automatic in the PDK tranny or (I believe) the GTR. I think you will see more and more auto's but with that the price will definetely go up. US made automatics with flip shifting are horrendous. All one need do is drive a PDK versus a CTSV (using their flip switch) and the difference is embarrasing to US engineering. The PDK, as we all know, runs 0-60 in well under 3.0 seconds and with companies like Champion Motorsports they are developing a PDK that will handle the 800-900 whp you can attain out of a built manual GT2. There is a time and place for each (manual versus flip shifting) but rest assured dual clutch flip is the wave of the future. The new McLaren which ran an even 7.0 min around the ring is a flip drive. The list goes on and it WILL only grow.
On the other side there is a long way to go before you will see flip drives in the 1000 WHP range but it will happen in less than 5 years.
Go to the championmotorsport.com to see just a spattering of what the future holds. Keep in mind not alot of what is going on behind the scenes are public knowledge.
On the other side there is a long way to go before you will see flip drives in the 1000 WHP range but it will happen in less than 5 years.
Go to the championmotorsport.com to see just a spattering of what the future holds. Keep in mind not alot of what is going on behind the scenes are public knowledge.
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03-05-2011, 12:38 PM
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I have a 997 911 TT with a tiptronic tranny and it's a blast. I am pushing 800 BHP and ~688 WHP with approx. 650 FT# tq. It is a blast to drive on the track or street and is quicker than another automatic in the PDK tranny or (I believe) the GTR. I think you will see more and more auto's but with that the price will definetely go up. US made automatics with flip shifting are horrendous. All one need do is drive a PDK versus a CTSV (using their flip switch) and the difference is embarrasing to US engineering. The PDK, as we all know, runs 0-60 in well under 3.0 seconds and with companies like Champion Motorsports they are developing a PDK that will handle the 800-900 whp you can attain out of a built manual GT2. There is a time and place for each (manual versus flip shifting) but rest assured dual clutch flip is the wave of the future. The new McLaren which ran an even 7.0 min around the ring is a flip drive. The list goes on and it WILL only grow.
On the other side there is a long way to go before you will see flip drives in the 1000 WHP range but it will happen in less than 5 years.
Go to the championmotorsport.com to see just a spattering of what the future holds. Keep in mind not alot of what is going on behind the scenes are public knowledge.
On the other side there is a long way to go before you will see flip drives in the 1000 WHP range but it will happen in less than 5 years.
Go to the championmotorsport.com to see just a spattering of what the future holds. Keep in mind not alot of what is going on behind the scenes are public knowledge.
03-05-2011, 03:22 PM
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I have an SL65 and would trade it in with a ZR1 today if the Vette had a DCT.
I am sure there are a good number of potential customers GM bypasses because the do not offer a modern option in transmissions.
I am sure there are a good number of potential customers GM bypasses because the do not offer a modern option in transmissions.
