Matt0301

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and have been looking into buying a ZR1. I came across a beautiful one in florida for 64k at a dealer. I inquired about it, and found out that it had a buy back/lemon title due to a clutch (that's what the sales rep told me). Obviously, I didn't believe him so I went to a local dealer and ran a GMVIS report that I attached. This has so many red flags in my eyes, but wanted to see what the masses thought of this debacle.

Why wouldn't the clutch be on the report short of the sales rep lying to me? What do you think would cause the buy back based off of the report? The guy at my local dealer said the rear compartment floor panel replacement was weird and to run.


Sorry for the big pictures

RidgeRunner0207

The carpeted panel could have been defective, or anything else cosmetically ??

Any time you buy any vehicle with any bad juju in the history its lesser valued.

So if it was a buyback it adds no value, if its a lemon buyback and is branded that way its bad for resale.

Same as a vehicle theft/recovered or accident histories.

Plenty of options, some are really clean and at $60k or less here

jft69z

Did you google the VIN? Sometimes it pops up some interesting stuff related to the vehicle.

EDIT: Is this the same one?

https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...YN2DTXD5800360

I brake for nothing

Sales reps never lie.

If its just buy back the customer may have been a dick. Maybe couldnt really afford the car.

Kevova

Warranting the floor kind of strange. What you got there wouldn't be a buy back. There would have to be multiple lines related to clutch/ transmission/vibration. It's possible owner did like car and fussed to try to get out of it. It might be a good car might not if you have more pages post them. You contact servicing dealer (dealer code is on viss) for more info about the repairs.

Eric Reeves

Just looking at what you have provided I don't see anything that would scare me. Plus it is specific in stating the carpet was replaced. Hell, I wish they would replace mine. Its bends up in the corners and does not lay flat. Its a cheap *** piece and is in all vettes. I put a Lloyds cargo mat in and looks much better. Still should not happen on a car like this or any car for that matter.

dmaxx3500

they replaced the carpet,,not the floor

Matt0301

yup thats the one. '13 Night race blue metallic.

Matt0301

Thats another theory I had. He ended up getting in over his head, and decided to make a fuss enough to get it bought back.

Black E

I looked at that car before buying my current one and to me the whole thing sounded really sketchy and the car also has a lot of swirls on the paint.
For $65k you can find clean "lemon free" examples out there.

Matt0301

yeah ah I basically told the guy that it was WAY too many red flags at that price point. I knew when I saw a 2013 in that color at that price, it was too good to be true.

Black E

Exactly.
I ended up picking up a 2011 SSB with 9k miles but with some minor cosmetic issues like swirls and such for $64K out in central FL, so keep looking.

RichieRichZ06

It does not currently show a buyback in GM's system and usually that will pop up. Having the carpet replaced and a clutch slave cylinder is nothing to worry about and I would not consider a red flag at all.

WA 2 FST

I'm sure you guys have come to the same conclusion, but I agree with the above being a REAL possibility.

Looking at the dates/mileage documented in the Carfax...

8/03/13... 11 miles and sold to Buyer 1
9/17/13...407 miles and title reported

Then just 3 days later (couldn't have been a lot more miles) on
9/20/13... manufacturer "buy back"

So... whatever was "wrong" with it, it happened within the first month of ownership. If you can trace the service history to your satisfaction since then, and the car checks out in its current mechanical condition...then there is no real reason to be scared away.

Like others have said, you can find some really mint cars...but if the price is right for you and you like the condition of the car, I wouldn't be concerned.

Charles Gerughty

I agree. I had the carpet in my 2013 replaced several times and even had the slave cylinder replaced one. Those are not major issues especially when they are done under warranty.

Matt0301

The thing that really was a red flag was that the sales rep said the clutch was the reason for the buy back, and from my understanding the dealer/manufacturer would have to fix the clutch. So you'd think it would have been on the GMVIS report. I've been screwed so hard on buying a car that was mysterious like this, so i'm overly cautious.

I did just get an email from him saying something about getting buy back files of the car from their offsite (file) storage facility. If it really ends up being nothing I think this could potentially be a pretty good opportunity(for the right price), but the branded title kinda sucks...

Is it possible to turn a branded title like that into a clean title? If it ends up being a case of couldn't afford it, and complained until it was bought back..

BTW you guys rock for chiming in

mirage2991

I doubt it was a "couldn't afford it so buy it back" deal....GM isn't in the biz of buying back cars because you just changed your mind...if you've been on this forum long enough, you'd know that...we have had a few cases were members have tried to lemon or get GM to buy a car back and it was after major problems...I even have a friend who had his C7Z06 "bought back" over it overheating on him at every HPDE he did...it was no small feat to say the least in any of the cases I read here... cracks me up that you guys think GM buys back a car because a customer is being a poop head....you can be a poop head all day long, unless you have a well documented issue that repeats itself and is fixed 3 or more times, GM will not buy it back....there's something else wrong with it, if the GM buy back is genuine....

ROCKGT

Why was the car bought back then ?
It was a big issue the could not resolve ?
I once bought a "buy back" MB E350 because the lady did not like how the a/c air smelled. She is a good lawyer though. The car was sent back to the dealer 3 or more times and the smell did not go away. They sold it to me at a very good price. The point is, I knew what the problem consisted of.

slalomdude

That dealer is about 5 miles from my house. I have seen several Z's on their lot at pretty decent prices. After checking though they have been lemoned. Kelley seem to be buying a lot of these lemons.
I you are not close by, I would be happy to go check it out for you.

darth g-f

Why take the risk?

The best car to buy is one you know the complete history, you meet the owner and you see how much it pains him to let go of his car. He has all the documentation and can tell you the reason behind any blemish. That guy probably had the car fully clear wrapped not to have any rock chips and personnally lowered the car on its stock bolts and decided on the alignment specs.

That is the car to buy. Get the right car.