Ever wondered if Methanol Injection is worth it?
09-07-2012, 11:51 AM
#41
Melting Slicks
what all do you think is different?...it still does the same thing.....you still need a supply tank, pump, lines, injector/nozzle, controller....
so i dont really get your comments.....
so i dont really get your comments.....
09-07-2012, 12:02 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
09-07-2012, 12:08 PM
#43
Safety Car
Cars today still do the same thing. Fuel is shot into an engine and a spark plug ignites the mixture. What all could possibly be different?
09-07-2012, 12:24 PM
#44
Melting Slicks
haven't looked in a few years...but last time i did i was not impressed....give me a kit that to look at so i can see what improvements have been made....
even if the setups are that much better one still has to maintain it, add fluid and so on....for a daily driver it becomes a hassel....been there done that...
even if the setups are that much better one still has to maintain it, add fluid and so on....for a daily driver it becomes a hassel....been there done that...
09-07-2012, 12:36 PM
#45
Safety Car
Alky Control. All stainless lines that are compatible with methanol, a pump that is fully compatible with methanol, and a very good controller. Filling the meth tank is not a big deal. I have to fill my 1.7 gallon tank about once a month, and if I don't, my engine still won't blow up. There is no maintenance to the system. Fact is, you have zero experience with a modern system. A 1980 meth kit is moot.
09-07-2012, 08:26 PM
#46
Instructor
I drive and build sprint cars which run off 100 percent methanol. We use mechanical fuel injection which can be very temperamental. First methanol actually usually cleans an engine. When the engines are rebuilt they are usually very clean on the inside no worse than any gas engine I've ever seen.
Next, we run very nice annodized fuel lines that normally don't corrode. What I mean by this is that if you leave the lines completely full of methanol for an extended period of time they won't corrode usually. Now if you introduce oxygen into the lines by draining some of the fuel out of the lines it will cause corrosion to form. Alot of my fuel lines are 3 or 4 years old and look brand new . Now when the cars sit over the winter i do pull the lines apart and blow marvel mystery oil through them, this helps prevent corrosion just in case oxygen is introduced into the system.
Finally meth is one of the greatest fuels out there imho . It has a low flash point and an octane of 116. Also it allows people to get 950 horse out of a NA 410 small block chevy. Its a good fuel if you know how to use it properly and have a system that is built for it.
Next, we run very nice annodized fuel lines that normally don't corrode. What I mean by this is that if you leave the lines completely full of methanol for an extended period of time they won't corrode usually. Now if you introduce oxygen into the lines by draining some of the fuel out of the lines it will cause corrosion to form. Alot of my fuel lines are 3 or 4 years old and look brand new . Now when the cars sit over the winter i do pull the lines apart and blow marvel mystery oil through them, this helps prevent corrosion just in case oxygen is introduced into the system.
Finally meth is one of the greatest fuels out there imho . It has a low flash point and an octane of 116. Also it allows people to get 950 horse out of a NA 410 small block chevy. Its a good fuel if you know how to use it properly and have a system that is built for it.
09-08-2012, 01:59 AM
#47
Melting Slicks
[QUOTE Fact is, you have zero experience with a modern system. A 1980 meth kit is moot.[/QUOTE]
...are the pumps now indestructible?...do they never ever fail?...do electrical components never fail?..how about the wiring for it?....
i am not saying they dont work...i know first hand what do....
for a daily driver i would rather have it safe tuned without it...
...are the pumps now indestructible?...do they never ever fail?...do electrical components never fail?..how about the wiring for it?....
i am not saying they dont work...i know first hand what do....
for a daily driver i would rather have it safe tuned without it...
09-08-2012, 02:00 AM
#48
Drifting
My point is don't matter what the meth users say, if it goes into the intake it richens the quality of fuel and that makes it capable of more timing which will be required because if not the motor will run too rich and cause failure of spark plugs and poor power, so therefore timing has to be added to run the correct air to fuel ratio.
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
09-08-2012, 08:08 AM
#49
Safety Car
My point is don't matter what the meth users say, if it goes into the intake it richens the quality of fuel and that makes it capable of more timing which will be required because if not the motor will run too rich and cause failure of spark plugs and poor power, so therefore timing has to be added to run the correct air to fuel ratio.
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
Bring that red sled to St. Louis with some cash so my crippled band-aid meth car can punish it over and over.
And over.
09-08-2012, 09:55 AM
#50
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My point is don't matter what the meth users say, if it goes into the intake it richens the quality of fuel and that makes it capable of more timing which will be required because if not the motor will run too rich and cause failure of spark plugs and poor power, so therefore timing has to be added to run the correct air to fuel ratio.
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
09-08-2012, 11:01 AM
#51
Drifting
Never heard about you but if you believe you can do so then good for you, hope you're enjoying your car and for your knowledge, I do.
09-08-2012, 11:30 AM
#52
Melting Slicks
are you the end all of meth installers the god of tuning?....my last system i setup [ about 10 years ago was way ahead of the alky control setup]
watch your comments about what you think other people know...shows how little you know
09-08-2012, 04:07 PM
#53
Safety Car
looked at the alky control setup and i am still not impressed....even less impressed with your comments////
are you the end all of meth installers the god of tuning?....my last system i setup [ about 10 years ago was way ahead of the alky control setup]
watch your comments about what you think other people know...shows how little you know
are you the end all of meth installers the god of tuning?....my last system i setup [ about 10 years ago was way ahead of the alky control setup]
watch your comments about what you think other people know...shows how little you know
I'm failing to see what a setup from ten years ago has to do with anything. You have no experience with a modern meth system, period. End of story.
MANY PEOPLE use meth systems and don't nuke when they run out of meth. There are also many tuners/builders who are too stupid or too lazy to properly set a car up to function with and without methanol.
Even cars I tuned a few years ago are still kicking just fine with meth. One of them was too stupid to know what the low level light was and ran his 18psi F1R 427 at the track on just 93 and still didn't grenade.
09-09-2012, 02:56 AM
#54
Safety Car
My point is don't matter what the meth users say, if it goes into the intake it richens the quality of fuel and that makes it capable of more timing which will be required because if not the motor will run too rich and cause failure of spark plugs and poor power, so therefore timing has to be added to run the correct air to fuel ratio.
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
The whole idea is to cool the IAT but enrich the octane to use more timing and then the meth is dependable and if the meth reservoir runs out of meth at wot, a motor will be required, if the pump failed at WOT, a motor is required.
I have tried meth before in my C5 and in my C6, I no longer use it because of the experienced guys behind my build, meth is a band-aid for additional power and most shops that install it has issues trys to piush it to its level
09-09-2012, 03:05 AM
#55
Safety Car
looked at the alky control setup and i am still not impressed....even less impressed with your comments////
are you the end all of meth installers the god of tuning?....my last system i setup [ about 10 years ago was way ahead of the alky control setup]
watch your comments about what you think other people know...shows how little you know
are you the end all of meth installers the god of tuning?....my last system i setup [ about 10 years ago was way ahead of the alky control setup]
watch your comments about what you think other people know...shows how little you know
... and you are showing how much you know. D. is not trying to mislead anyone. Meth gets the job done, can be tune to keep your engine alive and is much easier to maintain then some alternative fuels.
09-09-2012, 02:02 PM
#57
Melting Slicks
Some prefer to theorize and lecture all others. The rest of us just do with the 140, 150, 160mph traps, 700. 900. 1100rwhp graphs for years. Guess who is who...lmao
09-09-2012, 03:48 PM
#58
Le Mans Master
I would love to see more of these.......I have only seen 1 timeslip of a vette hit 160mph unless it was a full bore race car like Mark's. Would love to see more if you have them.
09-10-2012, 12:57 AM
#59
Burning Brakes
All I can say is... the negative Nellies should try going over to one of the turbo Buick boards and telling them how unreliable/unsafe meth is... Almost everyone on those sites are running meth.
I'll even provide a link to the sites...
www.turbobuick.com
www.turbobuicks.com
I was running 28-30psi in my Buick V6 with a dual nozzle (M10+M15) system and 93 octane. Beat the snot out of that car and never blew it up. I have complete faith in Julio Don / Razor and his meth kits and have been using it for years. There are a ton of trouble-free 9 and 10-sec Turbo V6 Buicks running around with meth.
Anyone who says "their tuner" recommended against using meth ? needs to find a new tuner. PERIOD.
Almost everyone on those sites are running meth.I'll even provide a link to the sites...
www.turbobuick.com
www.turbobuicks.com
I was running 28-30psi in my Buick V6 with a dual nozzle (M10+M15) system and 93 octane. Beat the snot out of that car and never blew it up. I have complete faith in Julio Don / Razor and his meth kits and have been using it for years. There are a ton of trouble-free 9 and 10-sec Turbo V6 Buicks running around with meth.
Anyone who says "their tuner" recommended against using meth ? needs to find a new tuner. PERIOD.
Last edited by Dragracer_Art; 09-10-2012 at 01:00 AM.
09-10-2012, 01:03 AM
#60
Burning Brakes
I will not run their name through the muck, as I like the guys and was pleased with my original NA tune. They are also a forum sponsor.
I just chose to go elsewhere when they were afraid to do my FI/Meth tune. Basically told me to pull my 3.4" pulley and meth off the car before coming for the tune. They only wanted to work with the 3.8" pulley and no meth.
Last edited by Dragracer_Art; 09-10-2012 at 01:07 AM.