C6 Forced Induction/Nitrous C6 Corvette Turbochargers, Superchargers, Pulley Upgrades, Intercoolers, Wet and Dry Nitrous Injection, Meth
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

VS402 Stroker A&A YSI Build near completion

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-19-2011, 12:11 PM
  #41  
user_name
Melting Slicks
 
user_name's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

50/50 meth with which nozzles? That could easily be holding you back from going over 800rwhp.
Old 04-19-2011, 12:46 PM
  #42  
Res1cue
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Res1cue's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Chesapeake Virginia
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by user_name
50/50 meth with which nozzles? That could easily be holding you back from going over 800rwhp.
625ml and 175ml

Thats the snow performance recomendation.
Old 04-19-2011, 12:52 PM
  #43  
user_name
Melting Slicks
 
user_name's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Res1cue
625ml and 175ml

Thats the snow performance recomendation.
So that is an m10 and a tiny 2nd nozzle. Unless that pump is running some serious pressure that is not much meth for a car trying to max out a ysi. I'd guess like 780rwhp trying to keep it safe. The guys making 850+ on pump+meth use lots of alky. 50/50 is great, but you need twice the volume.

Most snow kits I have seen are crap, but I suppose you can spec it however you like.
Old 04-19-2011, 01:05 PM
  #44  
Res1cue
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Res1cue's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Chesapeake Virginia
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by user_name
So that is an m10 and a tiny 2nd nozzle. Unless that pump is running some serious pressure that is not much meth for a car trying to max out a ysi. I'd guess like 780rwhp trying to keep it safe. The guys making 850+ on pump+meth use lots of alky. 50/50 is great, but you need twice the volume.

Most snow kits I have seen are crap, but I suppose you can spec it however you like.
250psi pump. I can tell you I have tested the 625 by itself and it can go thru a gallon of fluid in nothing flat at full pump cycle.
Old 04-19-2011, 01:46 PM
  #45  
BADZ
Melting Slicks
 
BADZ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2002
Location: Lone Star State
Posts: 2,898
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

My snow was crap also...
Old 04-19-2011, 02:25 PM
  #46  
user_name
Melting Slicks
 
user_name's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Res1cue
250psi pump. I can tell you I have tested the 625 by itself and it can go thru a gallon of fluid in nothing flat at full pump cycle.
Half of it is water. That will help prevent detonation, but it won't help much in making power. You likely need 2 m10 nozzles running at least 2/3 meth to safely make somewhere in the 850-950 range with 93 in the tank. This is an educated guess, but it is pretty educated....lol

Good luck with finishing off the rest of the build. Watching the previous one was painful.
Old 04-19-2011, 06:04 PM
  #47  
Res1cue
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Res1cue's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Chesapeake Virginia
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by user_name
Half of it is water. That will help prevent detonation, but it won't help much in making power. You likely need 2 m10 nozzles running at least 2/3 meth to safely make somewhere in the 850-950 range with 93 in the tank. This is an educated guess, but it is pretty educated....lol

Good luck with finishing off the rest of the build. Watching the previous one was painful.
I would be very happy with 800....
Old 04-20-2011, 04:20 PM
  #48  
0chris@sfcc
Former Vendor
 
chris@sfcc's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2010
Location: Sioux Falls SD
Posts: 643
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Res1cue
I would be very happy with 800....
Glad to see things are shaping up after the last blower debacle. Sounds like you might be wanting a smaller pulley!

Out of curiosity, any reason for the 1/2 water and not 100% meth?

Hope you're enjoying the car!
Old 04-20-2011, 07:00 PM
  #49  
Res1cue
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Res1cue's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Chesapeake Virginia
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by chris@sfcc
Glad to see things are shaping up after the last blower debacle. Sounds like you might be wanting a smaller pulley!

Out of curiosity, any reason for the 1/2 water and not 100% meth?

Hope you're enjoying the car!
I have read countless times that a 50/50 blend is the best and that is what is recommended by the vendor of the system. Not enjoying it yet as we think there is a boost leak somewhere. Only able to put down 10psi with a 7.54 crank pulley and 3" blower pulley. Numbers currently sit at

634 rwhp
604 tq

Last edited by Res1cue; 04-20-2011 at 07:04 PM.
Old 04-20-2011, 08:38 PM
  #50  
PowerLabs
Le Mans Master
 
PowerLabs's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Posts: 6,149
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Res1cue
I have read countless times that a 50/50 blend is the best and that is what is recommended by the vendor of the system.
Hi John,

"Best" is a very relative term. It would be "Best" to ditch the whole system, have a functional windshield washer, less weight from not having that pump up front, and not entrusting your engine to another system which can and does fail. It is also best to not have to worry about running out of Methanol during a long trip. I've ran out 3 times so far. I can easily go through 2 gallons of methanol for every 1000 miles driven and that is a typical weekend drive for me.

HAVING SAID THAT... Pure methanol will always make more power, period. So if "best" = most power you should be running that.
Old 04-21-2011, 06:44 AM
  #51  
Res1cue
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Res1cue's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Chesapeake Virginia
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by PowerLabs
Hi John,

"Best" is a very relative term. It would be "Best" to ditch the whole system, have a functional windshield washer, less weight from not having that pump up front, and not entrusting your engine to another system which can and does fail. It is also best to not have to worry about running out of Methanol during a long trip. I've ran out 3 times so far. I can easily go through 2 gallons of methanol for every 1000 miles driven and that is a typical weekend drive for me.

HAVING SAID THAT... Pure methanol will always make more power, period. So if "best" = most power you should be running that.
My definition is best is best protection for this investment. I want the 50/50 more for a safety net than for power.

Last edited by Res1cue; 04-21-2011 at 06:49 AM.
Old 04-21-2011, 10:35 AM
  #52  
user_name
Melting Slicks
 
user_name's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I think 50/50 is best for preventing detonation assuming enough octane. The water helps prevent spark knock. Snow only rates their pumps for 50/50. The issue is that you need twice as much volume as you do meth only to make the same power assuming you need the octane.

The numbers you made could be made w/o meth though. Are you running a 6-rib? I had assumed you had an 8" balancer.
Old 04-21-2011, 11:05 AM
  #53  
5 Liter Eater
Le Mans Master
 
5 Liter Eater's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2002
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 8,472
Received 38 Likes on 32 Posts
St. Jude Donor '11

Default

The best argument I've heard for 100% meth was from Julio. It has to do with the temp at which meth turns to gas which is under the typical FI intake temp. So as soon as it hits the intake charge it phase changes and will distribute more evenly whereas water will still be in liquid form and the droplets will not distribute as evenly.
Old 04-21-2011, 11:11 AM
  #54  
MARSC6
Le Mans Master
 
MARSC6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Wilkes-Barre Pa
Posts: 5,860
Likes: 0
Received 46 Likes on 32 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 5 Liter Eater
The best argument I've heard for 100% meth was from Julio. It has to do with the temp at which meth turns to gas which is under the typical FI intake temp. So as soon as it hits the intake charge it phase changes and will distribute more evenly whereas water will still be in liquid form and the droplets will not distribute as evenly.
50% water will form a puddle in the intake. I've seen this with my previous setup.
Old 04-21-2011, 11:26 AM
  #55  
user_name
Melting Slicks
 
user_name's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by MARSC6
50% water will form a puddle in the intake. I've seen this with my previous setup.
Seems kinda strange for anything to puddle under boost. I ran a 50/50 mix activating progressively from 2-3psi maxing out an m10 nozzle for 2 years making over 700rwhp on a stock ls6 with zero issues.


Regardless of all this debate you are going to need a certain effective octane to be able to throw enough timing at this setup to make power safely.
Old 04-21-2011, 01:33 PM
  #56  
MARSC6
Le Mans Master
 
MARSC6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Wilkes-Barre Pa
Posts: 5,860
Likes: 0
Received 46 Likes on 32 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by user_name
Seems kinda strange for anything to puddle under boost. I ran a 50/50 mix activating progressively from 2-3psi maxing out an m10 nozzle for 2 years making over 700rwhp on a stock ls6 with zero issues.


Regardless of all this debate you are going to need a certain effective octane to be able to throw enough timing at this setup to make power safely.
It didn't cause a problem. I just noticed it when I removed the intake manifold and it dribbled out onto my leg.
Old 04-30-2011, 04:43 PM
  #57  
FactoryRaceCar
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
FactoryRaceCar's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2001
Posts: 18,682
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12

Default

On your motor 8" and 3" should easily net you 16-17psi depending on your exhaust system. Depending on restrictions/slippage etc

Get notified of new replies

To VS402 Stroker A&A YSI Build near completion

Old 04-30-2011, 05:51 PM
  #58  
vegasredz062
Melting Slicks
 
vegasredz062's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: LAS VEGAS NV
Posts: 2,990
Likes: 0
Received 94 Likes on 48 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

I say 822/747 @16-17 PSI
Old 05-02-2011, 04:02 PM
  #59  
0Steve@AandACorvette
Former Vendor
 
Steve@AandACorvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2008
Location: Oxnard SoCal www.aacorvette.com www.superchargersuperstore.com
Posts: 4,327
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Old 05-02-2011, 05:13 PM
  #60  
BADZ
Melting Slicks
 
BADZ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2002
Location: Lone Star State
Posts: 2,898
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

So what the final numbers?


Originally Posted by Steve@AandACorvette


Quick Reply: VS402 Stroker A&A YSI Build near completion



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:31 PM.