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#1642
Seriously, it’s next to impossible for me to get methanol here. I chased the local VP guy around for about a year after I bought the Alky Control kit (which I bought along with my cam kit from VR) to bring me in a couple of 5 gallons drums of M1, to no avail, until I just gave up and sent the whole kit up to Carson, whereupon some Azzhole in US Customs promptly drilled a number of holes in the pump!
#1643
BTW: Got the heads and the other parts today. The portwork on the heads look fantastic. I’ll post up some pictures tomorrow.
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#1644
Okay here’s some close-up shots of the ports and combustion chamber on the heads, as well as a shot of the intake bowl with the valve removed (apologies for the shoddy photography):
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#1645
So far I’ve had a couple of setbacks, other than the lifters.
Firstly, I managed to phuque up the very first valve seal that I installed, by getting overzealous with trying to make sure it was bottomed out, since I’ve read about these things popping off the guide. I stupidly forgot to order the BTR installation tool, which would have easily avoided this.
BTW, I’ve always wondered why everyone isn’t using an integrated seat and seal like the stock GM setup, because this not only makes installation much easier, but there’s no way the seal can pop off the guide, because the valve spring pressure will keep it seated against the head. The stock GM one can’t be used with the dual springs, since it has a hump at the bottom that will interfere with the inner spring. But I’ve now discovered that Texas Speed has such a retainer for dual valve springs. See here:
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-6283-p...e-springs.aspx
I just don’t know if this can work with all dual springs and specifically the BTR 650 HD springs I’m going to be using now.
Secondly, and this really gets me, because it’s not my fault, one of the LS9 Head gaskets is slightly damaged. I noticed that one of the gaskets, both of came in a plastic/cardboard sheath, had its packaging opened on one end, as if it had been opened and the gasket removed and reinserted. When I removed it, I noticed that some of the rubber sealant around the bore had the surface scuffed and was scored in one place (see pics below), so I’m a little worried that it will leak. It’s not badly damaged, but clearly the integrity of the rubber seal has been compromised. The problem may have been that these gaskets were sitting in the bottom of the box the BTR packaged them in and there was a box of valvesprings and the ARP bolts sitting directly in top of them, with nothing between them, and no bubble wrap, etc. so they could’ve slip around during shipment and scuffed the gaskets, since there wouldn’t be anything other than a thin piece of plastic between them.
So, it looks like I need to order another couple of valve seals (so I’ll have one to spare), another gasket and a seal install tool, as well as the Johnson 2110 lifters, which I’ve decided to wait on. I’m going to call BTR first thing tomorrow and see what they say. Here’s what the gasket looks like. What do you guys think? Am I being too **** (again)?
Firstly, I managed to phuque up the very first valve seal that I installed, by getting overzealous with trying to make sure it was bottomed out, since I’ve read about these things popping off the guide. I stupidly forgot to order the BTR installation tool, which would have easily avoided this.
BTW, I’ve always wondered why everyone isn’t using an integrated seat and seal like the stock GM setup, because this not only makes installation much easier, but there’s no way the seal can pop off the guide, because the valve spring pressure will keep it seated against the head. The stock GM one can’t be used with the dual springs, since it has a hump at the bottom that will interfere with the inner spring. But I’ve now discovered that Texas Speed has such a retainer for dual valve springs. See here:
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-6283-p...e-springs.aspx
I just don’t know if this can work with all dual springs and specifically the BTR 650 HD springs I’m going to be using now.
Secondly, and this really gets me, because it’s not my fault, one of the LS9 Head gaskets is slightly damaged. I noticed that one of the gaskets, both of came in a plastic/cardboard sheath, had its packaging opened on one end, as if it had been opened and the gasket removed and reinserted. When I removed it, I noticed that some of the rubber sealant around the bore had the surface scuffed and was scored in one place (see pics below), so I’m a little worried that it will leak. It’s not badly damaged, but clearly the integrity of the rubber seal has been compromised. The problem may have been that these gaskets were sitting in the bottom of the box the BTR packaged them in and there was a box of valvesprings and the ARP bolts sitting directly in top of them, with nothing between them, and no bubble wrap, etc. so they could’ve slip around during shipment and scuffed the gaskets, since there wouldn’t be anything other than a thin piece of plastic between them.
So, it looks like I need to order another couple of valve seals (so I’ll have one to spare), another gasket and a seal install tool, as well as the Johnson 2110 lifters, which I’ve decided to wait on. I’m going to call BTR first thing tomorrow and see what they say. Here’s what the gasket looks like. What do you guys think? Am I being too **** (again)?
#1646
Le Mans Master
I don't think that gasket is an issue, but if you are ordering lifters anyways, you might sleep better by getting a new one. LOL.
Those TSP valve seals seem to have a very limited application. Spring diameter, guides, etc etc.
Using a deep socket to install the seals works fine. Them coming off isn't that common if the right seals for the guides are used. Very light taps until they JUST bottom out. NO EXTRA WACKS.
Those TSP valve seals seem to have a very limited application. Spring diameter, guides, etc etc.
Using a deep socket to install the seals works fine. Them coming off isn't that common if the right seals for the guides are used. Very light taps until they JUST bottom out. NO EXTRA WACKS.
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#1647
I don't think that gasket is an issue, but if you are ordering lifters anyways, you might sleep better by getting a new one. LOL.
Those TSP valve seals seem to have a very limited application. Spring diameter, guides, etc etc.
Using a deep socket to install the seals works fine. Them coming off isn't that common if the right seals for the guides are used. Very light taps until they JUST bottom out. NO EXTRA WACKS.
Those TSP valve seals seem to have a very limited application. Spring diameter, guides, etc etc.
Using a deep socket to install the seals works fine. Them coming off isn't that common if the right seals for the guides are used. Very light taps until they JUST bottom out. NO EXTRA WACKS.
The TSP seals actually look like they would work with most, if not all, of the standard diameter springs, because they are much narrower at the bottom than the stock ones. I’ll take a picture and post it up later so you can see what I’m talking about. The concept is better though, IMV. I like the idea of the spring seat and seal all being in one piece, like the OEM version.
Yep, I was using the very same 10mm 3/8” drive socket I used, without any issue, to install all of the BTR seals on the stock heads back when I installed the cam. It was indeed the last few taps that did it. When I pulled the socket off, the damn retainer spring was damaged.
I guess my late father was right, he always told me I could never leave well enough alone...
#1648
Burning Brakes
Thanks Jody. I don’t think the gasket will leak either, but after doing all this work for a leaky gasket that I can’t see any obvious signs of damage (except rust - WTF is up with that, GM?) I just don’t want to take any chances.
The TSP seals actually look like they would work with most, if not all, of the standard diameter springs, because they are much narrower at the bottom than the stock ones. I’ll take a picture and post it up later so you can see what I’m talking about. The concept is better though, IMV. I like the idea of the spring seat and seal all being in one piece, like the OEM version.
Yep, I was using the very same 10mm 3/8” drive socket I used, without any issue, to install all of the BTR seals on the stock heads back when I installed the cam. It was indeed the last few taps that did it. When I pulled the socket off, the damn retainer spring was damaged.
I guess my late father was right, he always told me I could never leave well enough alone...
The TSP seals actually look like they would work with most, if not all, of the standard diameter springs, because they are much narrower at the bottom than the stock ones. I’ll take a picture and post it up later so you can see what I’m talking about. The concept is better though, IMV. I like the idea of the spring seat and seal all being in one piece, like the OEM version.
Yep, I was using the very same 10mm 3/8” drive socket I used, without any issue, to install all of the BTR seals on the stock heads back when I installed the cam. It was indeed the last few taps that did it. When I pulled the socket off, the damn retainer spring was damaged.
I guess my late father was right, he always told me I could never leave well enough alone...
#1649
Burning Brakes
Sure he does Woodstoc. He will have the 8th mile Drag strip that's going to open up soon I hope. Might save on his test runs . I Googled That island, not a lot of places to hide on from the local enforcers. Sammy might end up contributing to the peace officers fund raising coffers.
Last edited by scottg; 01-07-2018 at 04:13 PM.
#1650
When you take your next vacation down here, I’ll take you for a real run.
#1651
Sure he does Woodstoc. He will have the 8th mile Drag strip that's going to open up soon I hope. Might save on his test runs . I Googled That island, not a lot of places to hide on from the local enforcers. Sammy might end up contributing to the peace officers fund raising coffers.
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#1652
Burning Brakes
Very nice.
#1653
Got all of the valvesprings done last night, except the last two, since I need to get another valve seal.
I will see if I can find a seal locally today. Found out from the marking on the seals and doing a little online dredging that it’s a US Seal-EOK # VS-806V, so I’ll see if I can find one or a cross-referenced part from another manufacturer. Failing that, I’ll order a few new ones. Need to make a few phone calls to find out who has these unicorn status Johnson 2110 lifters and order a new head gasket at the same time. I checked the box the gasket came in and, sure enough, it has CI Customs inspection tape on it, so it was probably one of our fine retards here that fukked up my gasket. Customs are azzholes everywhere, it seems.
I will see if I can find a seal locally today. Found out from the marking on the seals and doing a little online dredging that it’s a US Seal-EOK # VS-806V, so I’ll see if I can find one or a cross-referenced part from another manufacturer. Failing that, I’ll order a few new ones. Need to make a few phone calls to find out who has these unicorn status Johnson 2110 lifters and order a new head gasket at the same time. I checked the box the gasket came in and, sure enough, it has CI Customs inspection tape on it, so it was probably one of our fine retards here that fukked up my gasket. Customs are azzholes everywhere, it seems.
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#1654
Got the block mostly cleaned up, except for 6 pistons, which I need to rotate the engine to get. I’ve found out that the best thing for cleaning carbon of the pistons quickly is non-scratch scotch-brite pads and some WD-40. It’s a bit messy - you need to keep wiping away the dirty oil with shop towels, but man, does it work good. The piston in the photo took me maybe 4 minutes to get it that clean.
For the deck surface, I used WD-40 and a soft, brass bristle wire brush, then wiped it with the non-scratch scotch-brite. I tried carefully using a scraper on the other side, but stopped after a managed to make a few tiny scratch marks on the deck surface. No bueno.
For the deck surface, I used WD-40 and a soft, brass bristle wire brush, then wiped it with the non-scratch scotch-brite. I tried carefully using a scraper on the other side, but stopped after a managed to make a few tiny scratch marks on the deck surface. No bueno.
#1655
Le Mans Master
Funny.... everyone has their methods. I would never use a wire brush and scotchbrite, but that's just me.
Always use razor blades, (carefully), brake cleaner, and soft rags... does the job.
Always use razor blades, (carefully), brake cleaner, and soft rags... does the job.
#1656
The wire brush I’m using has very fine soft brass bristles, and the scotchbrite purports to be “scratch-proof’. Neither one leaves any scratches. I tried using the razor blade, very carefully, which is tedious, and it still left a few small scratches. If you look closely at the top of the #2 piston, you’ll see where I scratched it by trying to use the razor blade. The scotchbrite and WD40 made short work of that carbon, without a single scratch.
#1657
Burning Brakes
I never realized how big the water pump is. Thanks
#1658
#1659
Tooley’s friggin’ rocks! I called them today at 1:24pm, found out that they had just restocked the 2110 lifters. It wasn’t showing up as in stock online as yet, so the guy took my order over the phone for a set of the 2110s, a new gasket and 3 new valve seals. Within minutes, I had an email confirmation of my order and before 4:00pm I got an email with a tracking number showing that my parts had shipped!
I should have those in my hands by Wednesday afternoon.
BTR, FTW!
I should have those in my hands by Wednesday afternoon.
BTR, FTW!
#1660
Finished cleaning up the deck and pistons last night. Will give it a thorough going over with Brakekleen tonight and start fitting it up.
The lifters, seals and gasket are in Miami as of a half hour ago, so I should have them in my hands by this afternoon.
Forgot to mention that when I told the guy that I had one gasket that had beeen damaged by local customs, he even gave me a discount on the gasket.
The lifters, seals and gasket are in Miami as of a half hour ago, so I should have them in my hands by this afternoon.
Forgot to mention that when I told the guy that I had one gasket that had beeen damaged by local customs, he even gave me a discount on the gasket.