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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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When you buy one of these...do they come with the new belts (would be different size correct?)....and does anyone have any recommendations on which one to go with...I'm doing a H&C swap and thought I would do the pulley while they are in there. Any help would be greatly appreciated...thanks guys
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Actually no, when you swap the cam pulley it also changes the crank pulley to keep the belt the same size. I know alot of people go with the SLP pulley here.
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Actually no, when you swap the cam pulley it also changes the crank pulley.....
Um what? I think you meant the alternator pulley.....typo I suppose.

If you do the crank pulley and not the alternator pulley, the belts will be smaller.

Belts came with mine from Tbyrne but they tend not to. I paid 260 with the belts. A powerbond which looks great doesnt come with the belts and they are under 200.
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that's what I thought....if I wanted to keep the belts the same size...am I still getting the benefit....and would the pulleys be sold as a set anywhere? Thanks so much for you help guys
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Um what? I think you meant the alternator pulley.....typo I suppose.

If you do the crank pulley and not the alternator pulley, the belts will be smaller.

Belts came with mine from Tbyrne but they tend not to. I paid 260 with the belts. A powerbond which looks great doesnt come with the belts and they are under 200.
Do you by chance have a part number for what you got from Tbyrne?
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Um what? I think you meant the alternator pulley.....typo I suppose.

If you do the crank pulley and not the alternator pulley, the belts will be smaller.

Belts came with mine from Tbyrne but they tend not to. I paid 260 with the belts. A powerbond which looks great doesnt come with the belts and they are under 200.
Doh! Good thing spin is pulling the slack around here
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Originally Posted by Abomination
Doh! Good thing spin is pulling the slack around here
spin is always pulling the slack, keep us straight.

Originally Posted by jbh2403
that's what I thought....if I wanted to keep the belts the same size...am I still getting the benefit....and would the pulleys be sold as a set anywhere? Thanks so much for you help guys
if you want to use the same belt you have to underdrive the alternate pulley or some other pulley. with both underdrive crank & underdrive alternator pulley it may cause you to have charging problem if you have big amps. i would just change the crank only, since it already under drives everything around 20-25% ish already.
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if you want to use the same belt you have to underdrive the alternate pulley or some other pulley. with both underdrive crank & underdrive alternator pulley it may cause you to have charging problem if you have big amps. i would just change the crank only, since it already under drives everything around 20-25% ish already.
The alternator pulley isnt underdrive, its overdrive, to spin the alternator faster if you dim with stock idle speeds.

When you change an UD pulley it is likely that it is with a cam change. When you swap cams, you raise the idle. If you go to 800rpm from 625-650rpm you raised the speed of the alternator back to the speed it would have been with the stock pulley/stock idle and hence there will be absolutely no change in the alternator output. No charge issues. The alternator pulley is used for cars that retain the same idle or near it. The alternator would then be spinning slower than stock and only at idle would you notice a dimming if the voltage regulator cant keep up. So in summary 25% reduction in gear +25% increase in idle rpm = no change in alternator output at idle.

Regardless, if you use an UD pulley with or without a alternator pulley, the AC belt is shorter (40 inch).

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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
The alternator pulley isnt underdrive, its overdrive, to spin the alternator faster if you dim with stock idle speeds.

When you change an UD pulley it is likely that it is with a cam change. When you swap cams, you raise the idle. If you go to 800rpm from 625-650rpm you raised the speed of the alternator back to the speed it would have been with the stock pulley/stock idle and hence there will be absolutely no change in the alternator output. No charge issues. The alternator pulley is used for cars that retain the same idle or near it. The alternator would then be spinning slower than stock and only at idle would you notice a dimming if the voltage regulator cant keep up. So in summary 25% reduction in gear +25% increase in idle rpm = no change in alternator output at idle.

Regardless, if you use an UD pulley with or without a alternator pulley, the AC belt is shorter (40 inch).
spin, i do agree with you. i believe you missed my point. i was addressing the point if the OP wants/has to use the stock belt the only way that is going to happen is to have a bigger driven pulley to take up the slack from the smaller crank pulley, in this case bigger pulley on alternator would mean underdrive. this is where i brought up the point of perhaps there might be a charging issue if the op has high power amps. i personally wouldn't not have gone this route. new shorter belt is cheaper then alternator pulley, plus you don't have to raise the rpm as much to kept the alternator charge as stock.
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