Cloyes will have a new timing set for the LS2/LS3 with the 4x cam sprocket in about 3 weeks. The IWIS chain will fit all applications at this time. Cloyes currently has a setup for the LS1 and the LS2 with the 1x cam sprocket, or for those converting from a LS1 to a LS2 front mounted cam sensor.

 

It was an option on Hurst/Olds but mine has it, it's just that at 34 years old, that posi isn't as good as it once was, but was as good once as it ever was (the first burnout of the day was full posi).

I wondered if someone would have a sharp enough eye to comment on that...if you look again, you'll note the second burn out later in the video it's spinning the left tire.

That car is for sale and it's a GREAT car. I hated to see it go (I had it for years & years, drove it around Indy track during the pace car reunion...) but 2 kids...priorities....at least I still have my 442 vert.

http://corvetteexperience.com

 

I don't know where you heard that my cam was installed by you or who started the rumor. The cam was installed by Vettetech a none supporting tuner. Till today I don't know if he used my stock factory timing chain or upgraded it, if not well not much I can say except " he will never get my business again if it was never upgraded or ever regardless." All I had to be told was of the upgrade cost, and I would have paid it. It cost me $3,500 with this tuner to do the cam,dual springs, pushrods and underdrive pulley, which I think by the way is way over every other tuners price.

I am sure he knows my car was broken down in FLUSHING Queens, he never not once called me to help me out in anyway or even mention to offer to help. When my car broke down it was 5:56 PM thursday evening, I will never forget it. I called his shop and no one answered. Then I called CHUCK COW since he had done my rear end 4.10's in the past and has been extremely helpful, he called me immediately and offered every assistance ( including sending me a tow truck, BTW I have my own AAA with 100 mile free coverage.) The AAA tow truck didn't show till 9:30 pm, and we didn't get there till 10:30 PM and chuck kept it open till I got there......

That was beyond the call of duty, Chuck even drove me home 50 miles back, he only lives 2 blocks from his own shop, I will never forget his kind act but moreover I will never forget VETTETECH EITHER."

 

I told you a day ago it was at Bellmore and it was Mario who said it was going around.

 

This is not about Mario, and I am sorry, but when I spend 3,500 on a cam swap, the least I would expect up to today is a simple phone call, to either help out or see if I need any by Vettetech. But I guess I am not a worthy customer that has spent:

A) Cam install + tune = $3,500

B) 1.75 kooks headers, hi flo cats, x-pipe install = $2,200

Total of $7,700 +

and couple of other mods. I guess I was not worth a follow up call when I busted my timing chain.

I guess it stands to reason that he just didn't care.

 

Vettetech didnt say anything about me installing your cam at Bellmore....Mario did. I'm not sure why you say Mario saying I installed it doesnt have anything to do with Mario.

Anyway, timing chains break for lots of people. You had the cam in for a long time and then got a failure. You dont get a warranty on your engine forever when you get work on it. For a chain to break over a year later, I dont think you can say the install wasnt good. I'm not sure why you thik he owes you a call even if he did find out. What do you think he owes you. You got the services for the money spent. You werent cheated.

I have to ask one thing: did anyone ever tell Dave at Vettetech that your chain even broke. I know for a fact he is and has been away from the day your car broke to next week and has no contact with anyone. How exactly is any shop supposed to know anything ever happened if you dont tell them. I doubt any shop would tell you your chain is covered. You are a good friend of mine and I wouldnt feel obligated to do anything for you if a chain broke after a year and 10,000 miles of your driving.

I have also heard you say that he should have told you that the chain is weaker. We went back and forth about the springs he wold have used. Where does it stop? You had stock valves in there....if one broke would you feel he should have told you about that? Or what the power does to the stock trans synchros? Or the stock rocker arms sometimes dump needle bearings? Or the stock oil pump has been known to take a dump for no reason? Or that stock lifters can fail like RJ's car that needed a new short block after a cam swap and 4 k miles. It would cost 5k for a cam swap at that rate. If any of these failures happens, they arent covered by any tuner especially after a year. I think you are trying to put blame on other people here. Dont mod if you cant handle the worst situation or go to a tuner that gives you a warranty like Lingenfelter.

Relax. It will all be fixed. I have had failures on my car for work done by supporting tuners and never made it public on the internet what happened even when it was the installer's fault. I wouldnt hurt a guy like that. ALL tuners have failures so dont think one is immune to it. Its how they make it better that counts in the end. You didnt give this guy a chance to better it in any way and he didnt deserve you making him out to be a bad guy when he did a great install and you just had a chain break which isnt unusual for anyone that drives like you. You drive harder than anyone I know. What you did here was wrong. You drove the chain to break and you know it. Putting any of the blame on the tuner is dead wrong....especially saying he should have said this or that about timing chains.

Sorry to come down hard but man up about the break. Failures happen, deal with it without putting the blame elsewhere.

 

Spin we are friends and good friends you and I, that being said...

You say " Vettetech didnt say anything about me installing your cam at Bellmore, mario did"

I never said mario did, you did, fact is I wasn't even aware of mario making such comment.

Secondly, there are forum members that don't even live on Long Island and know of my breakdown, there are numerous people from all over Long Island that know of my car that have given corvette condolences.

The day I blew my timing chain, I had just installed my NPP exhaust system by a forum member who is a supporting tuner for vettetech. He was one of the first to know about my breakdown, you think he didn't say anything to Vettetech.."david?" I would bet all my marbles and there are only two that he did.

And I never in any part of my post mention that he messed up on the install, just that not knowing what timing chain blew up after all that money, and the fact that he didn't follow up, LEAVES MUCH TO BE DESIRED.

I am well aware of liabilities when modding any hi performance hot rod. That is not the top of the subject and point of interest. You are missing my point.

 

BTW spinman, I don't blame vettetech about this breakdown, don't make me the bad guy, all I asked for was a simple phone call and he never did, be it as it may,


He will never get my business, and you know my influence on Long Island, I will never ever refer him to anyone, not because he is not capable, because he is not capable of simple communication skills.....

OVER AND OUT..

 

So you didnt call him. Thats all I wanted to know.

If this is the way you act when your car breaks you will run out of tuners in a short time.

His shop was open and you didnt call him, you called Chuck. Chuck didnt call you. Just to give you a little hint: Maybe the guy knows about the break and who you called instead of him. Maybe its you that did the first smack in the face. When you called Chuck you kinda cut Dave out. Once your car went to anyone other than the original tuner, why would he want to intervene after Chuck got the job?

SO YOU CAN RELATE:

OK, you install a fence and then part of the fence warps and the customer calls 'quickie fence repair' instead of your company. He then bashes you and says you never called him about repairing the fence. At that point the fence is already being worked on...he bypassed you and gave the job to someone else.

From Dave's point of view: Your car broke down and not knowing what was wrong, you didnt call him to give him the job, you gave it to another tuner. I wouldnt call you either after that. Lots of people ask me 100 questions and then call other tuners for an install. I often get calls when its something for free that a customer wants and when its not free, they move on. I dont continue to talk to them when things dont work out with the new favorite tuner. I get used sometimes for info and not for the work. I am happy I find out what they are about before I do the work. If someone asks me for a nitrous system and I tell them 2500 for what would be 3500 from another tuner and they go with them, I wont be talking to them after that.

I think you should rethink this one.

 

Go back to my post, why are you acting this way spin? Can't you read that I called vettetech at 5:56 and he didn't respond? He was the first to be called. What would you have me do?

You need to stop supporting the none responding tuner, and remember who your friends are. I am now having my reservations. I will no longer respond to you...

 

Come on guys, there's no reason to do this.

Cameron, I know you are upset, but in all fairness Dave is in Oklahoma at a motocross tournament with his son, and has been since your unlucky day. If you didn't leave him a message to please contact you, he wouldn't know about any of this. The "supporting tuner" you speak of and Dave are not on speaking terms and you know that, so even if Dave was here and available, he still wouldn't have known unless you spoke to him directly.

You guys are friends....I hate to see this typed in public...why don't you guys just make a phone call and work it out??

 

I wasn't the one that twisted the words around to make me the bad guy, everyone with a high school diploma can see that I was targeted by spin. I was deeply hurt by his choice of words after we treated him just last night for a farewell dinner at holihans..

 

Perhaps Cameron is being a bit harsh (i can't say because I don't know the circumstances), but Spin while you make some good points please allow me to offer my opinion based on being an outsider. You are publicly calling Cameron out on the boards. What kind of reaction were you expecting? You may or may not be in the right but I believe it is how you approached that is the problem. If this were two anonymous members we'd sit back and watch you two go at it. However since it is well known that you and Cameron are good friends, to the rest of us it appears as you attacking a friend and publicly discrediting him. Like Craig suggested, a phone call or pm could have, and still can solve this and the appropriate post can be made to clear any and all involved.

JMO which doesn't account for much.

 

Ok Guys calm down Take it easy. Sound like a lack of communication
No offense Spin I think you need to explain yourself a little better sometimes, Like with me with the NOS I had no Idea it was so involved and no idea about the injectors just for an example probable a bad example. Cam relax I know you well too. I understand your upset about your car. I know you made the call
to vette tech. You BOTH have valid points You guys should talk about this when you both calm down and off the public forum. Nobody here needs to know your business. There are a lot of little girls on this site that like to stir the pot!
If I can help in any way Call me both of you!
Lets not make hasty decisions because we are mad at each other!
Mike

 

(BTW for everyone to know......since you called me out.. )CHUCK COW has offered his services at no charge to me, I just cover the cost of parts. Chuck will for as long as I am around get referrals and my support, why? Because he was there when I needed him and didn't let me down. That means a lot to me, that means character. I didn't expect to get free work done by chuck, that would be foolish.

 

So what you are saying is that because Dave is in oklahoma at a motorcross tournament with his son, business stops?
Sorry buddy, if he is away, then someone should be there to run shop, in the interest of his customers and event of an emergency and not leave the customers in limbo. Who is running his shop when a customer has a problem, should I park on a side road for a week till he gets back? This is a joke...

 

He used my thread to bash another friend of mine and he is out of line. He can go start his own thread if thats the deal. I said nothing until the guy used my post about not having done the install to segway into bashing Dave..another friend. If someone said something retarded about Cameron I would be defending him. I also dont think anbyone has a responsibility to have after hours services for anything. Ask Cameron if he runs out on emergency fence repairs at night. The entire concept is rediculous. His car runs fine for over a year of severe driving and then one night, for no installer error, the chain fails and Dave is a bad businessman because he wasnt there to answer the phone. Utterly rediculous.

You pick a tuner and make a openly bashing statement and see if you dont get called out.....pick any tuner.

Now what would have happened if Chuck didnt answer the phone for the night? Cartek guys go home for the day by 6pm. I guess they suck too.

Including Chuck you show me one tuner that has after hours emergency service. Cow isnt there every night especially when he is away for the weekend tuning in another state. If Chuck wasnt there that night, your position would have no defense at all.

Also, define emergency. Your chain broke is an emergency? What was done the first night that had to be taken care of? My axle and trans broke and I got it towed home. Dave from Cartek came 3 days later to bring it to NJ for repair. Its not an emergency.

 

You keep missing the point and going around traffic like a GPS navigation unit going into detour. The whole point being here you bashed me like you would any other forum member or stranger, if you seriously felt I was out of line you should have PM'd me or a simple phone call,as a matter of fact go check your cell phone for missed calls, I attempted to call you after your first post but you failed to pick up your cell phone and decide to bash me instead in public, guess friendships are not important to you these days.

And yes Dave at Vettetech should have called me or followed up in any event regardless of where my car sits today. Don't make excuses for him, I am the customer and as such spending thousands with him a simple phone call was not too much to ask, I would have felt a lot better.
Be it as it may, I expected much more from a friend, than the way you responded in the manner you did and unfair treatment, your loyalties seem to be inherently diverse.

 

Since you edited your post let me respond. "To me an emergency was that day being stranded at 6:00pm in my beautiful vette. You made a very general statement."

Listen Guy this is going to end here I will no longer post, I have made my points some have agreed with me, you need to rethink your strategy in keeping friends.

 

wow i think they are done