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Old 09-11-2009, 06:09 PM
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Our New LS3 Heads - no core charge - Flow Charts up shortly

Available withing three working days from Stock - just let us know the finished chamber size you require.


Intake Flow = 380 CFM
Exhaust Flow = 275 CFM

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Old 09-11-2009, 06:16 PM
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That's some serious flow Charlie
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That's getting pretty close to Charlie's LS7 heads flow numbers.
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How much milling would the heads need to stay at 70cc?

Does your valve job gain any piston to valve clearance?

Do you have a cam that will get close to 550rwhp/500rwtq with a 418?

Great flow performance showing no deteriorization at lower RPM. I dont know what happens to velocity but I'm sure final build results will show great gains.
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Default High flow heads worth it with FI?

Is there value in adding high flow heads to a FI build?

I assume yes for any given boost level, but adding another .5 lb of boost should make up for a few cfm of improved flow.

The boost is free unless your running at the limits.

Also; if high flow heads were added to an FI build what considerations should be given to compression ratios (hence chamber size)?
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what size bore are the CFM numbers from?
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What does one require to bolt these on to an LS3? Any other hardware? Or is it just a head swap? Advantages to the hollow or Ti upgrades?
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Originally Posted by SRTullio
What does one require to bolt these on to an LS3? Any other hardware? Or is it just a head swap?
Just a head swap.

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Advantages to the hollow or Ti upgrades?
Lightweight valve train components, particularly valves, reduce the moving mass allowing lifter more easily to follow the cam profile, control valve spring bounce, and reduce friction – all resulting in improved power. The typical result in changing from a heavier to lighter valve is an extension as well as an increase in the power band. Another noteworthy improvement is improved valve and valve spring life.
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
what size bore are the CFM numbers from?
These numbers were on a 4.125 bore plate - when time is available I'll do a series on the 4.066 and 4.00 bores.
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Originally Posted by Dan Wendling
Is there value in adding high flow heads to a FI build?

I assume yes for any given boost level, but adding another .5 lb of boost should make up for a few cfm of improved flow.
There will be an increase in power - but IMO, unless you are running above 10 PSI boost, save your money.

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Also; if high flow heads were added to an FI build what considerations should be given to compression ratios (hence chamber size)?
Chamber size will be dictated ultimately by the final power numbers you want. Camshaft selection, piston volume, octane, etc., all play a part and each paramater needs to be scrutinized
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
How much milling would the heads need to stay at 70cc?.
None - but we'd have to leave the combustion chamber essentially "as cast", machining only the immediate floor and wall. On the fully CNC'd chamber 70 cc will require .028 milling.

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Does your valve job gain any piston to valve clearance?.
No, the valve stem angles are the same and we set the seats in the OEM locations as well.

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Do you have a cam that will get close to 550rwhp/500rwtq with a 418? .
Those numbers are a good benchmark to hit and if we mounted an LS7 intake manifold on these heads, very reasonable. That being said, I beleive that something like 234° intake duration / 244° exhaust duration, ground on a 113° +4° Lobe Separation will be extremely close and still have decent street manners.

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Great flow performance showing no deteriorization at lower RPM. I dont know what happens to velocity but I'm sure final build results will show great gains .
Thanks, spent a lot of flow bench time time to improve and or maintain low lift flow rates - the top end numbers are big bonus and came as a result of what we learned while devleoping our LS7 heads.
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Originally Posted by RGT
That's getting pretty close to Charlie's LS7 heads flow numbers.
Thanks, Roger - however the LS7 heads (like yours) flow substantially more air under the curve and peak in the high 390's
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Originally Posted by 1bdasvt
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Originally Posted by socalzo6
That's some serious flow Charlie
That's the same heads that are on your car!

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Would there be any gains in a stock cam'd LS3 with ARH's and K&N?
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Originally Posted by Finelee
Would there be any gains in a stock cam'd LS3 with ARH's and K&N?
No, save your money - on a basic mod package such as yours I’d wait and when/ if doing a cam, then do the heads.

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Old 09-13-2009, 08:21 PM
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What is the typical gain that can be expected on a modified car (mild cam, cai, headers, etc.)? Any loss on throttle response or hp/torque under 3500rpm?
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Originally Posted by 05tbh
What is the typical gain that can be expected on a modified car (mild cam, cai, headers, etc.)? Any loss on throttle response or hp/torque under 3500rpm?
No loss in torque at any RPM -

Throttle response would be up as the dynamic compression would be optimized

If replacing a pair of stock heads and assuming the mods above, expect 25-35 at the tire


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