Why no Group Buy's on Headers
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Let me see if I've got this right...we want the cheapest product we can find, no matter where it's made, how it's made, how long it lasts, or how well it works. We're willing to send all our technical skills, industry and jobs overseas, and then send them all our money to buy their products and borrow their money to save the world and live the good life. Some of you guys need to study your history and watch whats going on in the rest of the world. Either that or brush up on your chinese, cause those guys are gonna OWN us (unless the muslums beat them to us)! They must be laughing their asses off, watching us bankrupt ourselves. And when we have, they're gonna exchange our debt for our gold and real estate. They won't be sending us billions in relief either! THEY'RE gonna be the super-power and we're gonna be begging for scraps.
Two Thumbs UP for Maryland Speed and I don't care if they ARE on the other side of the country or they aren't "politically correct", when I'm ready for headers, I'm supporting THEM!
Two Thumbs UP for Maryland Speed and I don't care if they ARE on the other side of the country or they aren't "politically correct", when I'm ready for headers, I'm supporting THEM!
I don't see what all the complaining is about. If the op and others want cheaper China headers go buy them, you do have that choice.
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I think maryland speed just need to polish what he is trying to say.....you are very rough in your delivery..
Now I will say if you look at maryland speeds kooks package deal it's really good...
you get kooks headers
catted x
and vararam for for 1700 or 1800 for LS3/LS7
Thats like paying 1400 for the headers and catted x.....hell of a deal. Thats the way I am going....LG wanted 1650 for just the headers and catted x...thats with the PM sale price lol
I came from a 04 cobra so modding was cheap and easy....these vette are a bit pricey but, I drive a vette and you pay to play...
If i go to olive garden I expect bang for my buck....If I go to J. Alexanders I expect a lighter wallet...
Now I will say if you look at maryland speeds kooks package deal it's really good...
you get kooks headers
catted x
and vararam for for 1700 or 1800 for LS3/LS7
Thats like paying 1400 for the headers and catted x.....hell of a deal. Thats the way I am going....LG wanted 1650 for just the headers and catted x...thats with the PM sale price lol
I came from a 04 cobra so modding was cheap and easy....these vette are a bit pricey but, I drive a vette and you pay to play...
If i go to olive garden I expect bang for my buck....If I go to J. Alexanders I expect a lighter wallet...
When you buy from Maryland Speed is when you see the polish...Top notch service and honest company with good pricing...
Hell he goes out and buys the cars that uses the stuff he sell and tries it out first hand...and tell people the real truth.
If there is blame for the Corvette tax then blame the industry. The "no public release" sale price is the US industries way of making sure they don't get drawn into bidding wars over the internet...Kooks and Corsa have been that way for years...Hell The golf industry taught them all. Titlist/Callaway and Ping...Ping has done it for 40 years...Those 45 a dozen pro V1's and not 35 dollars better than a Maxfli dozen and Ihave an ace and an albatross to prove it.
I too would love a nice all included header system with cats for a grand but I don't see it happening....Hell I would settle for headers that would bolt to our mid pipe for say 800 bucks...but I don't see it happening..
We aren't going to force a vender on to do a group buy for a fairy tale price though by bitching when he explains his side...that is a sure thing.
Last edited by hawkgfr; Feb 15, 2011 at 10:50 PM.
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Yea I heard the ousted ruler in Egypt is coming to run for office here in the states. He should fit right in with all our ELECTED crooked, outsourcing officials.
We should be bitching about the pork funds that are wasted just because they can get away with it.
We should be bitching about the pork funds that are wasted just because they can get away with it.
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From: Southern MD
People pay 3x as much for Nikes. They pay 3x as much for Levis. And here, it is not even a Walmart jeans vs. Levi's type argument. This is a company outright stealing anothers design. Kooks is a company who built their brand on great fitting headers. When you copy their bend data you are basically stealing what makes the brand. No different than a fake Rolex, or fake Oakleys. For customers, there is value in known that they are buying a knock off based of a top brand like Kooks..because Kooks fit good.
People forget, 15-20 years ago, it was not uncommon to have to cut, hack or weld both headers, and the car to get a set installed. Bends, quality, and fit would be inconsistant because everything was done manually with unsophisticated equipment. Then companies like Kooks came along and started doing R&D and manufactuering with expensive computer controlled equipment that allowed for high quality, a trouble free install, and very few production inconsistancies.
People forget, 15-20 years ago, it was not uncommon to have to cut, hack or weld both headers, and the car to get a set installed. Bends, quality, and fit would be inconsistant because everything was done manually with unsophisticated equipment. Then companies like Kooks came along and started doing R&D and manufactuering with expensive computer controlled equipment that allowed for high quality, a trouble free install, and very few production inconsistancies.
I don't think that is most people's perspective on here. They are willing to pay probably up to 50% premium for a domestic header, but not 2-2.5 times as much. When you shop for clothes, tools, and household items like electronics do you look pay that kind of premium to support the USA? Everyone has this mentality to some point, and that includes GM who buys parts from China for the C6. Are they scum selling us down the river? As said many times before if a distributor for one of the domestic header manufacturers can buy in enough volume to close the gap more they will sell hundreds of sets of headers. Maybe Maryland Speed is doing that now? But calling people out for something that you yourself are almost certainly doing in some other aspect is hippocritical. Everyone buys things from China, but how does that make them a target for personal attacks?
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Damn did I say I wanted to buy China headers or did you not read my post
but I thank you for letting me know, that I have a choice where I can spend my money 
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My only intentions were to save all of us some money and at the same time headers companies would pickup customers who would by their product a decent price and not purchase China made headers.
Sorry guys if you are not understanding my thread.
Once again, we know how well American made headers are, just give us forum members a great price for once and watch them fly off the shelf
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