So I was just curious if this is true or if Discount Tire really is just a bunch of idiots. I took my 08 Z in today to get the TPMS reset for my car now that I've added some Factory take-offs from a 2011 ZR1. After waiting for about 45 minutes, they came back in and said that "oh, yeah, well if I had known that the years were different, I coulda told ya an hour ago that wouldn't work!" According to him, the TPMS are different for any car 2010 or newer vs the pre-2010 models. Is this true or is he just trying to save face since he couldn't get it to program?

 

True.

 

Bummer. Well I guess I'll have them install the new ones then. That sucks. LOL!

 

Yep.

If you're buying used take offs, it helps to know if they're pre or post 2010.

 

I may be wrong, but I thought with a TPMS Re-Learn tool you could learn any GM TPMS Sensor to any GM TPMS Module. I have A Cub Pro and I have to use the 2009 HHR setting for my 2013 Grand Sport because they are the same P/N Sensor. They (All GM TPMS Sensors) should all 'talk' to each other. They just have to be re-learned the same with any 'new' TPMS Sensor, or after maintenance.

 

Yep, you're wrong.
The sensors have to be on the same frequency as the car's receiver to communicate. You can't change the frequency with your re-learn tool. All that the tool does, is to send the sensor ID to the car. The tool operator determines the order the ID is sent. The car only reads the order, not the location.

If you want to mess with someone, just do the "re-learn" procedure and start with the LR and let about 2-3 PSI out of the LF.

 

You are slightly wrong, the TPMS Sensors operate on a range of frequencies. The computer learns the frequency of each of its four sensors through the radio signal that the re-learn tool transmits. Actually you can copy the code of your currently installed TPMS Sensor and assign that same code to any universal TPMS Sensor.

The letting 2-3 psi out only works on certain years of Corvettes. For Example 2005 and older uses a magnet, 2006-2009 you can use 2-3 psi pressure deviation, and 2010 and on you have to use a re-learn tool.

OP, this may get you the best information: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ms-videos.html

 

Apparently, you didn't read the thread when you found the videos. Only the early 2005's use a magnet, the late ones through 2009 require a tool, the 2010 green ones work on the pressure differential method, and the 2011+ black ones need a tool. By now, most of the early 2005 sensors have died and have been replaced by the later 2005-2009 sensors.
They all work on 315 MZ except the European units and do not change frequencies. Each sensor has a separate and distinct code that is transmitted to the car's receiver. The order in which the receiver receives the codes when you do the re-learn procedure will determine the DIC readout. If you change the order, the DIC will have erroneous locations. The re-learn procedure primarily registers the unique sensor code in a specific order to the car's internal system.
IIRC it takes a minimum of a 5 PSI over-inflation that's immediately returned to normal to effect a re-learn procedure for the green sensors.
There are no "universal" sensors. There are however, programmable sensors that can clone non-programmable ones. You need a tool that reads and/or records the ID code and transmits that code to the cloneable sensor. You still need a sensor that matches the receiver for the car.
Just for reference, 2CC087 is the ID code for one of my OEM sensors. Of course, you can't program/clone more than one sensor with the same ID to be used at the same time on the same car. If you store sensors with identical ID's near the car, the car will read the one with the strongest signal. If that happens to be on another tire/wheel, the car DIC will read that info until you move the car away and drive in excess of 15 MPH.

 

Been there, done that...I got an 08, bought some wheels that came off a 2011. Had to get new TPS for them since 2011s are not compatible. Also, word of advice, dont cheap out on sensors. I bought a set of Dormans trying to save some, not all of them work and were very finicky. Ended up buying a set of OEM GM/AC Delco sensors and sync'd right up using my CUB TPMS reader/trigger.

 

A side question, when you swap between race wheels and stock, do you have to re-learn every time or just once per set of wheels (if they are installed in same location each time)

 

Car (RCDLM) is programmed to 4 TPMS's only, and each TPMS has it own electronic serial number

So if you are swapping rims with different TPMS, then the car has to relean the new TPMS in the new rims.
Note, you can clone a set of TPMS to another set of TPMS, and would be a option as well, so long as you keep the other tires far enough away that the car is not not picking them up instead of the tire TPMS's on the car. Also, another option if you don't want to run TPMS in the tires at all, just take 4 tpms that are programed to the car, and stick them in a tennis ball can with a pressure device on top to pressurize the entire can to 32lbs.

So on the tire swaps and the TPMS tool in hand, it takes less than 2 mins to "relean" the car the new TPMS, and you just have to make sure that the TMPS's in all the rims are all for the correct year of the vet.
2005 to 2010 uses one model of TPMS,
2010 to 2014 uses it another model of TPMS.

And note which tire you trigger first when relearning the TPMS to the car, which tire is next, then next, and which tire you end up "releaning" last to get the two horn honks telling you that the car has learned the all 4 tpms, hence DF, PF, PR, then DR tire last.

To add, you missed out on the Tire Rack blow out deal on the Cub Pro-101 TPMS tool for $19.00 (they sold out of them). They did a blow out on them thinking that they would not program the 2010 to 2013 corvettes (programming menu only when up to 2009), but since the tool has a 2009 HHR setting, and it used the same TPMS as the 2010-2014 corvette, the tool would in fact work for all the C6 corvettes (and other later models using this methods too). For the 2005 to 2009 vets, you just used the normal setting. For the 2010 to 2014 corvettes, you used the 2009 HHR setting instead. Also to note, the Cub tool not only resets/triggered the TPMS, but clones TPMS as well; hence a true blow out price for a great tool to have.

Shot of the tool after doing a quick scan of my left front tire, and note the serial number for the TPMS on the top line. So not only does the tool work to trigger, clone, but to do a quick check of the TPMS to make sure that battery in it is still good (would not give back any reading if the battery was dead). Also, not bad tire pressure, considering that that it's 6 degrees out side, and my attached garage is not heated.

 

Is there any way to disable this system I hate it and now I have had a sensor quit on the right front tire. I don't feel like having the tire taken off a new sensor installed then have to rebalance the tire. There is always a chance to damage the wheel

 

With what is tied into the TPMS system, and would take some program rooting to try to weed it apart, cheaper to just replace the TPMS in the tires and be done with it. TPMS are around $100 for all 4, and they do not need to pull the tire off the rim and re-ballance to install the new TPMS.

They can break the bead, and then can install the new TPMS on with the tire with just the bead pushed in forward on the machine to swap out the TPMS.

But to back up the question, where did you get the tires installed, since they should have come with a life time balancing that you should be having the ballance check at least once a year anyways.

 

Thanks for the information I guess I will get new sensors. I haven't installed tires on my car yet so no balancing deal

 

Stay away from the Dorman's. They have very poor reliability. I used some in my race wheels and two had to be replaced within a month. Advance Auto replaced the sensors once but they wouldn't pay what it cost to break the tire down and install the new sensors. When one of the replacements went bad they wouldn't warranty it. Even though they have a 1 year warranty you only get one replacement. Better to pay $5 more to get GM OEM sensors from Bob at House of Wheels.

Bill

 

After Ford had their Firestone inflation problem in the early 2000s TPM Systems and stability controls became mandatory on all cars starting in 08. The C5 and C6 Vettes required TPM Systems since they use run flats and you can't visibly tell when a run flat tire has no air in it. Since there are tire temperature problems running a tire with no air pressure the TPMS tells you how much pressure you have and at which wheel.

That keeps you from ruining an expensive tire or shredding it due to running so long it comes apart due to high temperature. Even if you don't have run flats having a system that detects when a tire is losing pressure is a benefit. In 2012 the system on my Malibu alerted me to the fact the right rear tire was losing pressure. i was able to monitor the pressure drop and get to a rest area instead of being stranded along side a dark highway.

Bill

 

This is why my daily driver is a Honda (Acura). When I put my winter tires on, all I do is change them and it learns it self. None of this resetting BS.

 

This is why I built a canister 9 years ago, giving me the ability to run any tire any rim any air pressure and still show 32lbs air in the DIC and able to turn AH&TC off when ever I want

 

dennis50nj, the OEM TPMS batteries had lasted 10 years in your pressure canister?

 

yes I replaced 1 of them 4 years ago before a track outing, my original canister had an o ring union so i could open and i re coded them and 1 wouldn't code so i replaced it with one i got from bracoli. i figured i would have replaced them all by now but they are still working, remember they are in sleep mode and report hourly as they dont wake when driving