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Old 05-25-2019, 08:41 AM
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2009 Corvette Z-51 vs 2019 Camaro SS 1LE


My buddy just bought a new 1LE and I will say that itís likely one of the best bang for the buck performance cars you can buy right now. It has a ton of upgrades from the Camaro SS which is also a bargain. It accelerates, brakes and corners top notch.


My ride is a 2009 Z51-NPP car with 46000 miles. Itís stock with the addition of a toggle switch for the exhaust and Michelin Supersport 4S tires.


I have looked at the stats of both cars and they are very close in acceleration but the Camaro pulls 1.05 gís and out stops the C6 with its massive Bremboís. I would think with the addition of the Michelin over the crappy stock tires the car would have more grip and be easily over 1 g now.


One interesting stat was top speed. I expected the C6 to have better top speed but didnít expect it to be 25 mph higher. The 1LE stat was 165 mph but I have a feeling that isnít correct. I would think the car would do 170-175 mph.


Both cars seem well matched straight line. I am more curious as to how they would compare on the track?


The C6 is 10 years older and cost half of the 1LE so I donít expect it to out perform it but if it kept up that would be very neat! Both cars are manual trans and fun to drive. Eventually he will track it and it will be neat to see how both cars compare!









Opinions? Take care guys.....





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Old 05-26-2019, 05:58 PM
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Why not upgrade from your factory shocks, rotors and pads for under 1k. I would also add longtube headers and a tune for the power factor and you should have no problem keeping up if not beating him.
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:36 PM
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The 1le Camaros are formidable on the track. Be prepared to lose.
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Even thought the 1LE weighs 400 pounds more and makes the same power it will spank me? Crazy!
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1LE has about 20 more horsepower than the LS3 and a ton of torque under the curve, look it up, similar power curve to the LS7 at lower RPMs. I had a 16 SS, the LT1 in that platform is no joke
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I have owned 5 Camaroís, including a Callaway Camaro. With equal drivers, and TIRES, the C6 would be faster on a road course. Notice I said equal tires. Straight line, It would be close, until around 100+, when the superior aerodynamics and weight, would give the C6 the advantage. And at 186, the C6, has a huge top speed advantage. My 552hp Callaway Camaro, was quick, but I do not think it would beat my current 05 Z51 C6. Too heavy.
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51 View Post
Even thought the 1LE weighs 400 pounds more and makes the same power it will spank me? Crazy!
I thought it was closer to 500-600 pounds difference ??? Im thinking drivers being equal the 1/8 mile might be close but on the back half 1/4 mile to 1/2 mile the vette easily pulls away
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Originally Posted by meadowz06 View Post
I have owned 5 Camaroís, including a Callaway Camaro. With equal drivers, and TIRES, the C6 would be faster on a road course. Notice I said equal tires. Straight line, It would be close, until around 100+, when the superior aerodynamics and weight, would give the C6 the advantage. And at 186, the C6, has a huge top speed advantage. My 552hp Callaway Camaro, was quick, but I do not think it would beat my current 05 Z51 C6. Too heavy.
I'm curious if you have ever driven a 1le Camaro or driven against a 1le Camaro on a road course?
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The Car and Driver Lightning Lap Results at VIR from 2006 to 2018.

#48 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1le 2:54.8

#85 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 3:01.2

It should be noted that tire technology had improved considerably between 2008 and 2017 and that would account for some of the almost 6 1/2 second difference.
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Originally Posted by moose.b3 View Post
The Car and Driver Lightning Lap Results at VIR from 2006 to 2018.

#48 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1le 2:54.8

#85 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 3:01.2

It should be noted that tire technology had improved considerably between 2008 and 2017 and that would account for some of the almost 6 1/2 second difference.
Could 6 sec be attributed to tires? What did the 09 Z51 come with?
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51 View Post
Could 6 sec be attributed to tires? What did the 09 Z51 come with?
RunflatsÖ.and not very wide runflats at that. 1LE has wide/sticky tires along with a track tuned suspension. More of a track car that can be used on the street. Z51 is a street car that can be used at the track.
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I track a 09 Z06. I had a 16 SS. I was very impressed with its handling. It felt better at speed and in the corners than the vette. It felt much more stable. I assumed it was a combo of the weight and better shocks. it had 465 hp but felt like more due to the high torque.
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since their so close in performance, why do they race the vette's with the Ferrari's and lambo's and the Camaro's race the mustangs and BMW's?
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Originally Posted by jonjoy View Post
since their so close in performance, why do they race the vette's with the Ferrari's and lambo's and the Camaro's race the mustangs and BMW's?
This may have been true when the C6 Z06 and ZR1 were in their prime but times change - the base C6, even with Z51, hasn't really been a "fast" car for about ten years and was never in the exotic ballpark. The C6 was also an abberation because it had a notable performance difference between it and the contemporary 5th Gen Camaro. The C5 Corvette and the 4th gen Camaro SS were neck-and-neck performance-wise (I know because I owned both), and now the C7 Corvette and 6th Gen Camaro SS (especially the 1LE) are pretty evenly matched as well. The comparison starts to get really ugly for the Corvette if you weigh the C7 stingray against the performance of the 6th Gen Camaro ZL1, and they are roughly the same price so its a fair comparison.

No bias here, lifelong Camaro and Corvette fan and own one of each...great time to be a Chevy fan.
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Michelin 4S...is that an all season tire? At least use a higher performance tire if you start hpde as tires are your biggest determinant. Depending on the track, you might have to do a little suspension tuning but you should be pretty competitive. Remember, a 2009 is on 10 year old rubber bushings which will have a lot to do with it, and shocks and sway bars have changed a lot too.
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Originally Posted by moose.b3 View Post
I'm curious if you have ever driven a 1le Camaro or driven against a 1le Camaro on a road course?
Nope. And I know they are fast around a track. And I have seen the times. But with EQUAL tires, I think a Z51, or magnetic ride C6 would have the advantage. Lower center of gravity, and much less weight. Like you said, tire technology has improved exponentially. I am sure someone who has some track times will chime in soon. But it just shows us how good the C6 still can be, even in an era of super fast cars. Heck, my new C6 has Michelin Pilot Super Sports on it, and it is in another league from my previous C6's with the Goodyear run flat tires.

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Originally Posted by mikeCsix View Post
Michelin 4S...is that an all season tire? At least use a higher performance tire if you start hpde as tires are your biggest determinant. Depending on the track, you might have to do a little suspension tuning but you should be pretty competitive. Remember, a 2009 is on 10 year old rubber bushings which will have a lot to do with it, and shocks and sway bars have changed a lot too.
Very true.
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As far as hdpe goes, a friend of mine that is a much better driver than I was driving my car (with me in it, a weight disadvantage in that particular run group) proceeded to pass everyone on the track including Porsche RS-3's and specially track prepared cars running R-comps while my car was in stock form. The point is, take the time to become a really good driver, take lessons, go to racing schools, learn to be silky smooth on the controls and how and where to transfer weight from front to rear and that Camaro will always be in your rear view mirror!
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