NSTG8R

The new 2005 Z51 Package. I guess my question would be, why didn't you guys (GM) offer all these neats things on the c5.

2005 - Z51 Performance Package: unique springs, dampers, stabilizer bars, tires, cross-drilled brake rotors, unique transmission, and heavy duty steering and transmission coolers

2003 - Z51 Performance Package: stiffer springs and stablizier bars.




[Modified by Neablas, 1:22 AM 1/5/2004]

GDP

Doesn't the Z51 on the C5 offer wider wheels up front and a PS cooler too?

kewlbrz

It offers those things except tires, cross drilled rotors, tranny, and tranny cooler.

LS1LT1

Well also keep in mind that the Z51 on the C5 was a $350.00 (cheap) option, I have a feeling it will be well in excess of $1000.00 on the new car.


No, wheels and tires were/are the same size regardless.

NSTG8R

Yeh I know, it's just something to complain about. :P
That and cross-drilled rotors would have probably stopped my rotors from cracking. :D

Yogivette

more of a reason to buy a c6 instead of a c5....the kept it from the c5 for marketing in my opinion.

SharkbyteLT4

iT looks GM might be finally getting smart and bringing back the performance days of the 60s in which you can get all kind of performance options on your ride... I would like the blue devil option please :party:

SWCDuke

C5 Z51 for all C5s consisted of higher rate springs, bars, shocks, and a power steering oil cooler.

C6 Z-51 adds larger cross drilled brake rotors, Supercar fun flat tires, side airbags, and the transmission oil cooler, which also apparently includes a provision for cooling the diff. The diff oil is cooled by the trans fluid and the trans fluid is cooled by engine coolant.

Duke

BHP

And it will cost a lot more than $395.

SWCDuke

For sure! My estimate is about a thousand bucks but, remember, you won't have to pay $900 extra for the six-speed manual.

duke

LongTimer

Man I hope you're right Duke. My guess is $2,000 - 2,500 for this new Z51. All these goodies are gonna cost! Unique Tires too!


[Modified by LongTimer, 7:21 PM 1/5/2004]

yellow01

I don't understand why it should cost THAT much more.

Realistically the only thing you are ADDING is the coolers. Everything else is SWAPPED out - brakes, tires, tranny etc. Sure, I can see GM charging more for the higher performance, but realistically how much more does the MN12 cost them to build vs. an MN6. Probably nothing more, it is just different ratios right?

I'm sure they'll put a performance premium on there, but much more than $1000 for what you get would surprise me.

JMHO

SWCDuke

I agree! The marginal cost increase for the substituted parts - springs, shocks, bars, brake rotors, gearbox internals, and tires is zero to not much. The biggest cost driver of Z-51 is the additional hardware for the coolers.

Nothwithstanding the above, GM may price it higher than cost plus normal profit margin because they figure that customers be willing to pay a premium. Z06 is certainly priced higher than the marginal cost plus normal profit margin of the substitured hardware.

Since they read this forum, don't give them any ideas. ;)

Duke

LongTimer

As I said, I hope you guys are right, but I think it will be a marketing set price. It will be cheaper than the Magnetic shocks, but still substantial. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but those little boxes on the order form is where they make their big bucks. I think their excuse will be the "special" trans and "special" tires.

yellow01

No way I'm paying over cost ;)

DngrZne

That would be nice if it is cheaper then the magnetic shocks. Currently that option goes for around $1700 and I don't see it changing considerably for the C6, so that wouldn't be too bad.

Road_runner

:lurk:

DavesC5

:iagree: You've got that right.

Another Yellow

I hope you don't think that GM is giving you the six-speed for free. The $900 will be included in the base price.
:cheers:

scorp508

With the shorter ratios & higher redline the LS2 is going to need it once you start hot lapping the road course.