Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR

BRING IT,

I will pay your expenses if you can beat a C6 Z06
on the street or track with a stock FE Viper GTS,
At TWS last month, the closest GTS to the C6Z was
a full 6 seconds back and this was at a Viper Event!
The Z had better times than the majority of the Comp Coupes that were there.

JP

Originally Posted by DieL

P W N E D

Originally Posted by TetraU

I think 02FEGTS is not the actual guy. He is just relaying this from the Viper board.

Originally Posted by Short-Throw

Tetra....I stand corrected......Thank you. :bb

Sorry...FEGTS.

Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR

First Edition Coupe has same HP as a SRT
correct?

JP

Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR

BRING IT,

I will pay your expenses if you can beat a C6 Z06
on the street or track with a stock FE Viper GTS,
At TWS last month, the closest GTS to the C6Z was
a full 6 seconds back and this was at a Viper Event!
The Z had better times than the majority of the Comp Coupes that were there.

JP

Originally Posted by Onerareviper

If you are implying that a stock C6Z06 is faster than a Competition Coupe Viper around a road course (with equal drivers), PLEASE STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE. The Comp. Coupe is a fully purpose built race car (cage, slicks, race suspension, etc...) and weighs 2900 pounds +/-. HP is said to be 520, but it is more like 550+. And the Torque is probably around the same if not more.

Around a typical 2 mile road course (ex. Mid-Ohio) I would say the Comp. Coupe is a good 6-10 seconds faster than a stock SRT Coupe with equal drivers.

From all the test so far, the Viper and C6Z06 are very close on a road course. If one has an advantage, it is very slight (a 1/2 second to a second). I've seen the results go both ways (in the mags). On the 1/4 mile track I would give the C6 Z06 a slight advantage, but it is still darn close if you ask me. With equal driver the C6Z06 wins, but on the street they are too close to say one is going to win every time, IMO.

BTW - Spec Miata's can be VERY quick around a technical road course (lots of turns, very few straight aways). Although, the guy did not run with one anyway.

Originally Posted by 02FEGTS

What the hell is pwned?

Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR

Re read the post, I am saying what I said, that I was runner better times than quite a few of the Comp Coupes at TWS, there were no "street Vipers" running
within 5 seconds.
I would take a 10 sec spot against a CC any day.
These are results from the TWS event, the 1st place driver with a 1.52.6 was a Comp Coupe on True Michelin slicks, the best time I ran in the Z with Michelin Club Sports was a 1.52.8

Unlimited Time Points
Michael Greenberg 1:52.655 301
Curtis Amplatz 158.081 285
Ed Robertson 1:58.233 266



Super Modified Time Points
Diane Mould 2:11.097 306
Steve Molnar 2:12.396 286



Modified Time Points
Bill Lamb 1:58.277 305
Nancy Stein 2:00.752 288
John McCann 2:04.686 268
Scott Gerami 2:10.386 245
Thomas Annesley 2:10.655 221
Justin Navaretta 2:13.014 200
Mike Oliver 2:14.604 190



Prepared Time Points
Dean Word 2:00.035 300
Scott Johnson 2:02.779 283



Super Stock Time Points
Greg Watson 2:02.423 300
Chris Robson 2:32.003 280

Originally Posted by Craig Lowell

Shanghai... then shut the F up until you can walk your talk.

This is surprising in view of your posts... you don't own this car, you haven't driven this car, you can't buy this car, you're in China.

F-ing A! You are full of ****.

BTW, masturbation is a strange thing for an adult to focus on. Are you in a Shanghai prison?

Originally Posted by allanlaw

All this proves is that the Viper is king on the Viper boards. So be it - I really don't care. The day I worry about what a couple of buddies running in the INTERMEDIATE GROUP at a track day in Pahrump do is the day you can put me in a Mustang . . .

Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR

Re read the post, I am saying what I said, that I was runner better times than quite a few of the Comp Coupes at TWS, there were no "street Vipers" running
within 5 seconds.
I would take a 10 sec spot against a CC any day.
These are results from the TWS event, the 1st place driver with a 1.52.6 was a Comp Coupe on True Michelin slicks, the best time I ran in the Z with Michelin Club Sports was a 1.52.8

Not bragging on the times, I just feel the Z is quicker than the new Viper, especially on a Road Course

Unlimited Time Points
Michael Greenberg 1:52.655 301
Curtis Amplatz 158.081 285
Ed Robertson 1:58.233 266



Super Modified Time Points
Diane Mould 2:11.097 306
Steve Molnar 2:12.396 286



Modified Time Points
Bill Lamb 1:58.277 305
Nancy Stein 2:00.752 288
John McCann 2:04.686 268
Scott Gerami 2:10.386 245
Thomas Annesley 2:10.655 221
Justin Navaretta 2:13.014 200
Mike Oliver 2:14.604 190



Prepared Time Points
Dean Word 2:00.035 300
Scott Johnson 2:02.779 283



Super Stock Time Points
Greg Watson 2:02.423 300
Chris Robson 2:32.003 280

Here is a Motor Sport Ranch VIPER Event

my best time in the C6 Z is a 1.21.6 on Michelin Club Sports
Unlimited - Michelin Time Points
Ron Fellwock 1:23.710 1000
Melissa Rutherford 1:32.453 905



Unlimited - Hoosier Time Points
Jim Stout 1:20.875 1000
Michael Greenberg 1:21.567 992
Ben Madey 1:23.632 967
Rich Wesorick 1:23.718 966
Cris Schade 1:25.614 945
Len Mills 1:28.477 914



Super Modified Time Points
Jason Walsh 1:22.703 1000
John Weigel 1:22.958 997
Ed Robertson 1:25.835 964



Modified Time Points
Mark Stearns 1:24.135 1000
Sam Carvajal 1:28.188 954
Angie Stearns 1:28.271 953



Prepared Time Points
PJ Austin 1:25.368 1000
Dan Austin 1:26.750 984
Nancy Stein 1:26.817 983
Eyal Yarden 1:26.870 983
Don Cochran 1:27.765 973
Newt Watson 1:28.145 968
Tom Wilson 1:28.609 963
Kevin Huston 1:32.610 922
Daniel DeMay 1:37.005 880



Super Stock Time Points
Jim Garrett 1:28.307 1000
Tim Zimmerman 1:30.421 977
Sue Endle 1:30.981 971
Doug Walsh 1:33.187 948
Greg Watson 1:35.096 929
Carol Walsh 1:35.375 926
Bill Wehmer 1:35.965 920
Dee Dee Wehmer 1:42.487 862

Originally Posted by agentf1

Who cares which one is faster, didn't you read where the girls showed him their hoooo haaas. They never do that for me in my Corvette, I am getting a Viper next!

Originally Posted by Marina Blue

Thats quite a story 02FEGTS, but I find it hard to believe. The March 2005 issue of Road and Track had an article called "Best All-Around Sports Car." Tested among other cars were the Corvette C6, Z51 Coupe, 2005 Viper SRT-10 and 2005 Porsche Carrera S Coupe. Part of the test were laps at Buttonwillow Raceway Park using configuration #24. It was described as having a good mix of tight corners, esses and a half mile long straight. Best times around the course were Corvette Z51 - 66.32 seconds, Viper 66.60 seconds, Porsche Carrera S - 66.71 seconds. On the half mile long straight the C6 Corvette had a section time of 13.70 seconds and the Viper had a time of 13.75 seconds. At the Nurburgring in Germany the regular C6 Z51 Corvette has a lap time of 7 min. 59 sec. the C6 Z06 7 min. 42.9 sec. and the Dodge Viper SRT-10 has a lap time of 8 min. 13. sec. If the SRT-10 can't beat the standard C6 at these venues how in the world can it beat the Z06? There seems to be something missing in your story.

Originally Posted by z71burb

too bad you have to be 4 ft tall to drive the viper

Originally Posted by 02FEGTS

For those of you who have been reading this forum, my previous post of "Prices for Coupes", I just took delivery on my First Edition Coupe last week. I drove 650 mile to Pahrump NV to open track my car yesterday (Saturday) with my friend and his new "06 ZO6. We drove out together and went to Spring Mountain for a Las Vegas Chapter Porsche Club/SCCA open track weekend. I just got back in an hour ago after a 12 hour drive. Let me begin with this- you can drive this coupe everyday. We drove over 1550 miles in two days- through the storm hitting the west coast right now, light snow flurries Friday afternoon, and stop and go traffic in the middle of the desert for 2 hours, as well as over two hours of track time. The cars ran flawless- both of them. We traded off cars and have respect for each others cars. We also found out the following:

1) These cars are dead even in acceleration up to 165 mph- where we stopped running. From 40 mph rolls to 145, and 80 mph rolls up to 165 out in the desert. They were dead even from a standing start to 90 mph. We are very even drivers- both holding licenses from SCCA, etc. We have raced spec Panoz's and are always dead even. So the driver stuff is not there.

2) Around Spring Mountain Raceway, the Viper was FASTER. I could out brake and corner the ZO6, and straight line we were once again dead even. Both cars are stock- mine literely came off the showroom floor and driven 600 mile to my home in Las Vegas. If he started a session ahead of me, even 3 cars ahead, I could catch and pass him within two laps- we were running the new long course. When I started ahead, I would pull away from him putting 3 or 4 cars between us. This happened every session out.

3) ZO6 handles terrible in the rain- the Goodyears hydroplane in heavy rains, and the Viper did not. Very stable on I-5 in heavy rains at 75-85 mph. My friend had to slow down to under 50 in the same conditions because the car would dart all over the lane at higher speeds. So much for it being the better daily driver.

4) Gawk factor- very few people noticed his car- its black and does not stand out. We had literally dozens of people snapping photos of the Coupe. I have a Lamborghini Murcielago, and that is typical. But I did not expect that in a Viper. In fact, a group of young ladies ignored my friends Corvette, and proceded to pull up next to us as we crossed into CA on the freeway,and showed us their wares- if you know what I mean.

This car is far superior to my 2001 ACR. This car is much more refined. My ACR was a toy. Not practical. A loud droning from the exhaust at 65 mph. Terrible AC system. Horrible ride- even worse brakes. This new car is faster, more stable, has fantastic brakes- same ones I have on my Comp Coupe, and can be driven everyday. Plus, it has a new car warranty. I just drove it for 12 hours and it feels like I got out of my Mercedes! It's that good.

My point? Don't believe everything your reading out there. The ZO6 is not superior. Cheaper, yes. But my friend paid $10k over window sticker, I got mine for $8k under. When you add it up, I paid $3k more- which was the gas tax on it. Dodge has made a big mistake not marketing this car right. I am not sure what ZO6 the car magazines have been testing, but its not the one the consumer is buying. The word "ringer" comes to mind. So don't be afraid of one if it comes up. It will come down to the driver. And on the track, out of the box, it is a faster car. I will post some pictures of us on the track and driving through the desert as soon as I can figure out how. Its been a long day and my bed is calling.


This was taken from the VCA site, thought it was a interesting read, discuss.