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[Z06] North Carolina C6Z Owners - NC DMV wants to Tax Car Modifications

Old 04-26-2009, 03:55 PM
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Default North Carolina C6Z Owners - NC DMV wants to Tax Car Modifications

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ATTACHED PROPOSED LEGISLATION DOESN’T JUST APPLY TO CARS 35 TEARS AND OLDER, BUT TO ANY CAR THAT THE DMV DEEMS MODIFIED [possibly due a new owner bringing something into question]. Modifications include anything to the frame, body, or chassis, or any component thereof (suspension parts are certainly part of your chassis and interpretation could very well include your drive train). LET’S SAY YOU PUT SOME NEW BRAKE CALIPERS OR A BOLT-ON ACCESSORY ON YOUR NEW C6 CORVETTE – THEN THIS COULD AFFECT YOU! It’s all left up to interpretation.



After a few hours of research and comparison, I feel that I have a pretty good understanding of what is going on. Here is a description of the attached files for your reference (everyone has a right to draw their own conclusions):



S476 – the bill proposed to the Senate by the DMV

S820 – counter bill to the Senate (more owner-friendly)

H861 – House version of Senate bill S620

GS_20 – Current key parts of the current statutes

GS_105-187 – Current highway use taxation statutes



Imagine these scenarios (all of which could be taxed at a higher rate and make the car harder to sell):

- Some simple bolt-on bodywork could forever alter the registration status of your car

- Conversion to disc brakes or radial tires for safety could end up tripling your tax bill

- A car wanting to be restored BACK may be impossible to register as stock every again

- A rare option on a car could lead to countless hours trying to prove the car has not been modified

- You spend countless hours restoring a car and then get taxed more for all those hours spent

- You have to argue with a “trained” DMV employee who is supposed to know every detail about every car

- If you ever have to go before the committee, are you good friends with the commissioner?



The bottom line on proposal S476 is that they are trying to reclassify vehicles so that they can be taxed at a different rate. Notice how this is cleverly hidden at the end of the proposal. If a newly acquired vehicle is over 35, it could automatically require reclassification. But , let’s say a seller had changed his/her calipers (or maybe even tires/shocks) – boom, your 5-year-old Corvette is no longer taxed at the standard depreciated rate, it becomes taxed at a rate based on what the state thinks was spent on the car including all parts and labor necessary for any modifications – YOU COULD SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS RESTORING A CAR ONLY TO BE TAXED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THE CAR, NOT WHAT NECESSARILY WHAT IT’S WORTH.



This is all at the discretion of a “trained” DMV employee who must come to your house to fully examine every aspect of your vehicle, possibly damaging it as certain parts may require disassembly! You must pay for this inspection. Selling a vehicle which has been modified without disclosure [and therefore requirement of this procedure] now becomes a misdemeanor. Many sellers might not even know their car had been modified. Who would ever want to buy your car if you ever had to replace a part? Finally when you have exhausted your time and patience, you ultimately go before a 5-person committee consisting of three DMV people and two members of the general public – all of whom are appointed at the sole discretion of the commissioner – in other words, taxation without representation.



If anyone has ever had to pay AMT or has a home being taxed based on a value they couldn’t possibly sell it for, then you know how these things go. What will happen next? Will all previously out-of-state vehicles require inspection for registration? What about all vehicles prior to ODB II? What about this just being part of inspection? This leaves the door wide open for havoc and more government with little gain. Remember, that bills are always proposed and passed based on the spirit of the law, but end up being enforced based on the letter of the law. Various interpretations of legal language can lead to situations where these are not necessarily one in the same.



If you can, please show up at the hearing!!! It is amazing how easily a committee can fold, once the public actually puts forth a unified opinion against a proposal. Again, Tuesday at 11am [bills S476 and S820] and Wednesday at 11am [H861].



Thanks,







The chair of the Senate Commerce committee is going to set both S476 (the DMV Bill) and S 820 (our bill) for simultaneous hearing Tuesday, April 28 at 11 am. If for some reason they are not reached, they will be reset for Thursday April 30, 2009. DMV will be there insisting their bill legalizing these inspections of our cars and charging us inspection fees be enacted into law. Links to the committee members and their respective email addresses and phone numbers are:



http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...%20Standing_67



We need emails sent to the Senate Commerce Committee members in support of S820 and in opposition to S476. Can you help by calling these Senators? Emails generally go unread.



On the House side H861, the House version of our bill, is scheduled to be heard in the House Transportation committee Wednesday, April 29 at 11 am. Here is the link to the committee membership and their respective email addresses and phone numbers:



http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...%20Standing_45
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Wow, NC is totally lame. It's a good thing my folks are moving in a few months. I've been using their house as my "permanent residence" since I'm with the military. But, as they're moving I won't really have any more connection with NC and I'm probably going to change my "residence" to a much more tax friendly state.
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I lived in Raleigh for 6 years. Needless to say, I won't be moving back. Only the beginning of the new taxes our state and federal governments will be coming up with to steal the PEOPLE'S money to cover up their corruption and ignorance resulting in America and the individual states all being bankrupt. Time for the Revolution to begin to take back America from these idiots...rep and dem. We need a third party to put them out of business.

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Originally Posted by RED HAWK
I lived in Raleigh for 6 years. Needless to say, I won't be moving back. Only the beginning of the new taxes our state and federal governments will be coming up with to steal the PEOPLE'S money to cover up their corruption and ignorance resulting in America and the individual states all being bankrupt. Time for the Revolution to begin to take back America from these idiots...rep and dem. We need a third party to put them out of business.


I think we need a "Constitutional" party since neither current party has a clue what the Constitution says and they don't really care.
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Originally Posted by rgcarmack14

I think we need a "Constitutional" party since neither current party has a clue what the Constitution says and they don't really care.
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Originally Posted by RED HAWK
I lived in Raleigh for 6 years. Needless to say, I won't be moving back. Only the beginning of the new taxes our state and federal governments will be coming up with to steal the PEOPLE'S money to cover up their corruption and ignorance resulting in America and the individual states all being bankrupt. Time for the Revolution to begin to take back America from these idiots...rep and dem. We need a third party to put them out of business.
When the states are bankrupt, the federal's can nationalize the states just like good ol Mother Russia used to be...
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This pisses me so bad I can't see. I just read the text of the bill itself and it is so vague that it is WIDE open to how it might be applied. My 1997 Mustang is (from the VIN) a Mustang SVT Cobra. In reality, it is a Saleen S281 Cobra, and Saleen is technically a manufacturer. So how does it get classified? The headaches this will cause is huge.

Oh well this ****ing state is run by Democraps, so the fact they want to turn NC into an east coast version of Kalifornicate is no surprise. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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yep ladies and gentlemen, or should I say comrads...USA of Russia...
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Originally Posted by RED HAWK
I lived in Raleigh for 6 years. Needless to say, I won't be moving back. Only the beginning of the new taxes our state and federal governments will be coming up with to steal the PEOPLE'S money to cover up their corruption and ignorance resulting in America and the individual states all being bankrupt. Time for the Revolution to begin to take back America from these idiots...rep and dem. We need a third party to put them out of business.
Absolutely!!
I'm so damn sick and tired of the fed and states screwing up and sticking it on the backs of us taxpayers.
Steal is right!
Time to put them all out of business and vote in some new blood!
Damn sure that is what I'll be doing come 2010!!
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Originally Posted by LT5 John
yep ladies and gentlemen, or should I say comrads...USA of Russia...
It's on it's way.

Obama is at the helm of this socialist ship.

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