Mdm23

Have you seen what the boss 302 does on a road course? GT500 will have no problem with the Camaro. Read up on the suspension. Many improvements over what most guys on this forum realize.

Silver05GTO

The Boss 302 got it's *** kicked by the Camaro, reviewers testing both cars back to back come away with very high marks for the ZL1's handling that's how much better it is over the well regarded Boss.

The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.

Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500

My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.

Cman01

I personally think the new Shelby will more than hold it's own on a roadcourse vs. Camaro. Ford did their testing on the ring too with the gt500 we will have to wait till they decide to take a production one around to record an official time.

As for the duel awaiting these heavyweights, the boxing ring is set, the opponents are in their respective corners..................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvufFwdqMzg

Bring on the results.........(I'll be in team shelby's corner)

Kurac

I read the same article. The Boss was getting all the accolades for being a true track car, till they ran it with the ZL1. The article was totally one sided in favor of the ZL1...that's how good the car is. I can't see the GT500 being any better than the ZL1 on the track, the suspension won't be as race tuned as the Boss'. In a straight line, the GT500 should be quicker as long as it can put the power down. This will be an interesting test.

CGGS

Before I put my deposit down last week on a new 2012 GS, i was cross shopping the GS and the GT500.

I got a chance to have an extended test drive in the GT500 during a workday with little traffic.

Keep in mind that this is the 2012 GT500, not the upcoming one, but the GT500 felt slower than the GS. In the twisties the GT500 felt good until there were bumps in the road, then that *** end was hopping all over the place like a truck would.

Even with some tweaks on the shocks on the 2013, it's still a live axle and on anything except smooth pavement becomes a liability.

I almost went for the GT500 instead though (with the mindset that I would be putting a Griggs racing suspension on the rear of the car), but driving the Corvette just felt so much more special from the clutch feel and shifting, to the way the chassis communicates to the driver in day to day driving. When I sat in the the GT500 it was , "hmm this is cool". When I sat in the Vette, i felt like I was strapping myself in a fighter and I felt right at home and was like "ahhh, this feels perfect"

I have to say though that the Recaro seats in the GT500 do kill the "new and improved" 2012 seats in the Vette, lets hope they fix that in the C7

I know this thread is about the ZL1 and the GT500, but just thought I would throw in my experience in the current GT500

Rock36

Lots of people don't realize this when they are looking at the list of times.

GMuffley

I read the article as well. The ZL1 turned a lap about 2 seconds better than the Boss. I think the 200 HP difference between the Boss and 2013 GT 500 (with a revised suspension) will more than make up the 2 seconds.

Mdm23

I was only referring to the Boss because it performed well with its solid axle. I was not implying that it could beat a ZL1. I was getting at the fact that the GT500 will be
even better. I predict it outapping the camaro.

b4i4getit

These magazine articles on the GT500 and ZL1 only exist to sell magazines. I would take all of their comments and results lightly. Never purchase a car based on what you read in these so called enthusiast magazines. They have a bias that shifts like the wind.

toy 4 ray

Do the drivers at Nurburgring use any of the traction control settings? Yesterday was a pretty day but it was 23 degrees. With traction control off, I was all over the road--is it just me?

ConfusedGarage

There is a reason why Ford hasn't disclosed the '13 GT500 ring time, that is because it won't beat the 7:41 the ZL1 layed down. I heard from my Friend at Ford that they were able to get it well into the 11's at the drags, but could not beat the ZL1 ring time.

That makes sense, and I predict an 11.8 1/4, and like a 7:45 ring time. The 2012s spun like crazy, I don't see how some special shocks are going to help harness an additional 100hp more efficiently. I would be amazed if the GT500 out does the ZL1 on a race track, which is what the ZL1 was designed for. Very few people plunk down $55k to go straight and have a Ranger rear suspension.

jvp

GM's drivers are trained and forced specifically to disable any of the electronic nannies in the car. However, that doesn't count Performance Traction Management, which is more of a cheater's aide. When the ZR1 and Z06 went back to the Ring last year, they both had the PTM system, and Mero had it in Mode 4. Mode 4 means all yaw control is disabled, and the torque management for PTM is much laxer than the lower numbered modes.

The highest PTM mode is 5. Apparently he liked 4 for the Ring.

jas

BigMike NY

AMEN to that Brother!!!!

4GS7

The ZL1 wears second-generation Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires. I wonder what a Z07 would have run with those instead of the Pilot Sport Cup ZPs.

Tap Shift has been in the C6 since the 6L80 was first available in 06. Rev-matched downshifts and all that.The new upshift speed is the only thing that is new.

ZL1 costs about $10k more than a Boss 302, weighs 600lbs more, and makes 100 more hp. Those two cars had no business being compared.

okaythen

60mph to 120mph it's 7.9 seconds for z06..how about ZL1 anyone know? top speed z06 is much higher 198 vs 184. How about the interior? z06's interior is really not a 80k dollars car should be. zl1 is a lil cheaper at 55k.

the ring time on that wiki page...do the cars all start from flying start? or some standing start some flying start?

TX Tahoe Z71

But I don't think the ZL1 will be able to hang with the 2013 lighter, more powerful GT500, live axle or not.

Mr. Gizmo

Z06 0-150 time is about 17.3 seconds.
Zr1 0-150 around 16.5

The 2011 superscharged CTS-V is 24 seconds.

I would imagine the Camaro Zl1 will be in excess of 21 or 22 seconds.

TX Tahoe Z71

Really, the CTS-V is that much slower?

EDIT: Did a quick search and turned up some results. Car & Driver tested the CTS-V 0-150 at 21.5 for the auto and 22.3 for the 6 speed. Links here:
http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...c10b0415ac.pdf
http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...f074f1b9f0.pdf

Leonie

If you are referring to the Ring time, the disadvantage of a live rear axle may be bigger than the advantage of roundabout 10% more horsepower or ? % less weight. But don´t take it as a fact, just my thoughts...

Best regards, Bernd

TX Tahoe Z71

Best I could find curb weight was 3850 for GT500 coupe and 4120 for the ZL1, so 270lbs difference along with 70 more hp. I am a bowtie guy as much as anyone, but the '13 GT500 is going to be some serious competition.