[Z06] Z06 vs ZL1 Camaro at Nurburgring
#21
Drifting
ummmmmmmmmmm . . . . not so IMO.
Drag strip time - maybe the Gt500 is faster IF it can get traction. Camaro does have active launch control . . .
Any real track or road course - Camaro has independent tuned suspension and 3rd generation magnetic selective ride versus GT500's live axle. I'm betting the ZL1 is quicker. It tuned a 7:41 lap time at the Ring - let's see what the GT500 does there.
Drag strip time - maybe the Gt500 is faster IF it can get traction. Camaro does have active launch control . . .
Any real track or road course - Camaro has independent tuned suspension and 3rd generation magnetic selective ride versus GT500's live axle. I'm betting the ZL1 is quicker. It tuned a 7:41 lap time at the Ring - let's see what the GT500 does there.
#22
Race Director
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
#23
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I personally think the new Shelby will more than hold it's own on a roadcourse vs. Camaro. Ford did their testing on the ring too with the gt500 we will have to wait till they decide to take a production one around to record an official time.
As for the duel awaiting these heavyweights, the boxing ring is set, the opponents are in their respective corners..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvufFwdqMzg
Bring on the results.........(I'll be in team shelby's corner)
As for the duel awaiting these heavyweights, the boxing ring is set, the opponents are in their respective corners..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvufFwdqMzg
Bring on the results.........(I'll be in team shelby's corner)
#24
The Boss 302 got it's *** kicked by the Camaro, reviewers testing both cars back to back come away with very high marks for the ZL1's handling that's how much better it is over the well regarded Boss.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
#25
Before I put my deposit down last week on a new 2012 GS, i was cross shopping the GS and the GT500.
I got a chance to have an extended test drive in the GT500 during a workday with little traffic.
Keep in mind that this is the 2012 GT500, not the upcoming one, but the GT500 felt slower than the GS. In the twisties the GT500 felt good until there were bumps in the road, then that *** end was hopping all over the place like a truck would.
Even with some tweaks on the shocks on the 2013, it's still a live axle and on anything except smooth pavement becomes a liability.
I almost went for the GT500 instead though (with the mindset that I would be putting a Griggs racing suspension on the rear of the car), but driving the Corvette just felt so much more special from the clutch feel and shifting, to the way the chassis communicates to the driver in day to day driving. When I sat in the the GT500 it was , "hmm this is cool". When I sat in the Vette, i felt like I was strapping myself in a fighter and I felt right at home and was like "ahhh, this feels perfect"
I have to say though that the Recaro seats in the GT500 do kill the "new and improved" 2012 seats in the Vette, lets hope they fix that in the C7
I know this thread is about the ZL1 and the GT500, but just thought I would throw in my experience in the current GT500
I got a chance to have an extended test drive in the GT500 during a workday with little traffic.
Keep in mind that this is the 2012 GT500, not the upcoming one, but the GT500 felt slower than the GS. In the twisties the GT500 felt good until there were bumps in the road, then that *** end was hopping all over the place like a truck would.
Even with some tweaks on the shocks on the 2013, it's still a live axle and on anything except smooth pavement becomes a liability.
I almost went for the GT500 instead though (with the mindset that I would be putting a Griggs racing suspension on the rear of the car), but driving the Corvette just felt so much more special from the clutch feel and shifting, to the way the chassis communicates to the driver in day to day driving. When I sat in the the GT500 it was , "hmm this is cool". When I sat in the Vette, i felt like I was strapping myself in a fighter and I felt right at home and was like "ahhh, this feels perfect"
I have to say though that the Recaro seats in the GT500 do kill the "new and improved" 2012 seats in the Vette, lets hope they fix that in the C7
I know this thread is about the ZL1 and the GT500, but just thought I would throw in my experience in the current GT500
Last edited by CGGS; 02-25-2012 at 11:15 AM.
#26
Burning Brakes
The original ring run with a Z06 when the car first came out in 2006 was 7:42. That was done however on a standing start. The times recorded now is with a flying start and there is a section of track where they don't record lap times so cars can slow down and return to the pit area.
Tony
Tony
Lots of people don't realize this when they are looking at the list of times.
#27
Le Mans Master
I read the same article. The Boss was getting all the accolades for being a true track car, till they ran it with the ZL1. The article was totally one sided in favor of the ZL1...that's how good the car is. I can't see the GT500 being any better than the ZL1 on the track, the suspension won't be as race tuned as the Boss'. In a straight line, the GT500 should be quicker as long as it can put the power down. This will be an interesting test.
#28
Drifting
The Boss 302 got it's *** kicked by the Camaro, reviewers testing both cars back to back come away with very high marks for the ZL1's handling that's how much better it is over the well regarded Boss.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
even better. I predict it outapping the camaro.
#29
Le Mans Master
These magazine articles on the GT500 and ZL1 only exist to sell magazines. I would take all of their comments and results lightly. Never purchase a car based on what you read in these so called enthusiast magazines. They have a bias that shifts like the wind.
#30
Intermediate
Do the drivers at Nurburgring use any of the traction control settings? Yesterday was a pretty day but it was 23 degrees. With traction control off, I was all over the road--is it just me?
#31
There is a reason why Ford hasn't disclosed the '13 GT500 ring time, that is because it won't beat the 7:41 the ZL1 layed down. I heard from my Friend at Ford that they were able to get it well into the 11's at the drags, but could not beat the ZL1 ring time.
That makes sense, and I predict an 11.8 1/4, and like a 7:45 ring time. The 2012s spun like crazy, I don't see how some special shocks are going to help harness an additional 100hp more efficiently. I would be amazed if the GT500 out does the ZL1 on a race track, which is what the ZL1 was designed for. Very few people plunk down $55k to go straight and have a Ranger rear suspension.
That makes sense, and I predict an 11.8 1/4, and like a 7:45 ring time. The 2012s spun like crazy, I don't see how some special shocks are going to help harness an additional 100hp more efficiently. I would be amazed if the GT500 out does the ZL1 on a race track, which is what the ZL1 was designed for. Very few people plunk down $55k to go straight and have a Ranger rear suspension.
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The highest PTM mode is 5. Apparently he liked 4 for the Ring.
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#34
Latest 'Ring' performance by a Z06 was stellar
7:22.68 to be exact . . . base specification car with optional super-slick track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
That said, the ZL1 Camaro, at about 19 seconds slower, is no slouch when you consider all the extra weight.
7:22.68 to be exact . . . base specification car with optional super-slick track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
That said, the ZL1 Camaro, at about 19 seconds slower, is no slouch when you consider all the extra weight.
That auto with the tap shift in the ZL1 is pretty impressive as well as it is making its way into the vette soon. They spent a lot of time getting the ZL1 just right and getting the suspension to perform as well as it does.
I was glad to see the Camaro come back and was VERY excitied to see what they did with the ZL1. But everytime I park next to one I can not get over how huge it is compared to a corvette. To take something that big and heavy and be able to throw it around a track as well as it does...I am impressed.
I just hope they put the same or more R&D into the C7.
I was glad to see the Camaro come back and was VERY excitied to see what they did with the ZL1. But everytime I park next to one I can not get over how huge it is compared to a corvette. To take something that big and heavy and be able to throw it around a track as well as it does...I am impressed.
I just hope they put the same or more R&D into the C7.
The Boss 302 got it's *** kicked by the Camaro, reviewers testing both cars back to back come away with very high marks for the ZL1's handling that's how much better it is over the well regarded Boss.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
The GT500 has a long way to go if it's going to compete with a ZL1 on a roadcourse and I very much doubt despite the hp advantage, it's going to outlap a ZL1.
Dragstrip, edge back to the GT500. Looks=GT500. MPG's=GT500
My choice......GT500, as I'm not a roadcourse racer and any track time is spent going in a straight line lol. Also test drive a Camaro last year and the horrible visibility just kills it for me.
Last edited by 4GS7; 02-27-2012 at 11:18 AM.
#35
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60mph to 120mph it's 7.9 seconds for z06..how about ZL1 anyone know? top speed z06 is much higher 198 vs 184. How about the interior? z06's interior is really not a 80k dollars car should be. zl1 is a lil cheaper at 55k.
the ring time on that wiki page...do the cars all start from flying start? or some standing start some flying start?
the ring time on that wiki page...do the cars all start from flying start? or some standing start some flying start?
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But I don't think the ZL1 will be able to hang with the 2013 lighter, more powerful GT500, live axle or not.
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60mph to 120mph it's 7.9 seconds for z06..how about ZL1 anyone know? top speed z06 is much higher 198 vs 184. How about the interior? z06's interior is really not a 80k dollars car should be. zl1 is a lil cheaper at 55k.
the ring time on that wiki page...do the cars all start from flying start? or some standing start some flying start?
the ring time on that wiki page...do the cars all start from flying start? or some standing start some flying start?
Zr1 0-150 around 16.5
The 2011 superscharged CTS-V is 24 seconds.
I would imagine the Camaro Zl1 will be in excess of 21 or 22 seconds.
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EDIT: Did a quick search and turned up some results. Car & Driver tested the CTS-V 0-150 at 21.5 for the auto and 22.3 for the 6 speed. Links here:
http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...c10b0415ac.pdf
http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...f074f1b9f0.pdf
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Best I could find curb weight was 3850 for GT500 coupe and 4120 for the ZL1, so 270lbs difference along with 70 more hp. I am a bowtie guy as much as anyone, but the '13 GT500 is going to be some serious competition.