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Old 11-20-2016, 07:53 PM
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Default Eaton 2650 vs Procharger F1x series

is anyone out there considering the new eaton blower over procharger?.. looks like a killer blower.. I know it's not out yet but it will be soon 2017 and they say they will make one for the c7 platform.. is it worth the wait ??
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sorry about the x being in there.. my keypad has put f1x in so many times..lol
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You have 2 different concepts of boost. So the real choice here is how bad do you want to spin the tires.

2650= Torque plus HP
Procharger= HP plus torque
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I don't want tire shredding only. I probably will get an 18 inch set up this spring. don't really want to go 15 inch. my car already has a good foundation for a big blower.. cnc heads. cam.. cai.. exhaust.. meth.. putting down 680 on mustang dyno and out of blower.. my cam puts me around 7400 rpm redline which doesn't help any with the 1740.. only makes 11 pounds over 5500 rpm.. I am guessing the procharger is the way to go..
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I agree with the Procharger choice. We run a lot of F1's on Z06's with great results. You definitely have a solid base to make some great power. With a low pressure fuel system and a Procharger I bet you hit 1000 with no problem.
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I hope.. fueling will be an issue I think.. I will add a meth nozzle because I only use one now with the little 1740.. prob run e85.. do you recommend the new injectors by redline and lingenfelter?..
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I hope.. fueling will be an issue I think.. I will add a meth nozzle because I only use one now with the little 1740.. prob run e85.. do you recommend the new injectors by redline and lingenfelter?..
You will need another meth nozzle to get over 1000hp. E85 with a flex fuel sensor is a great way to go. Best of both worlds, ease of filling up with 93 and power of e85.

I would save your money on the new injectors, way to expensive for the gains IMO.
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Originally Posted by Lance@MTI
You will need another meth nozzle to get over 1000hp. E85 with a flex fuel sensor is a great way to go. Best of both worlds, ease of filling up with 93 and power of e85.

I would save your money on the new injectors, way to expensive for the gains IMO.


For sure dual meth nozzles. Vengance Racing used 3 on their last F1X build. I am hoping my tuner will run 16 to 18 pounds. They are on the conservative side, but that is a good thing with an expensive toy (at least for me, I am not rich. LOL). They are pushing me towards the F1A 94. I am obsessive and want the X. Spinning the blower and shredding belts probably is the main issue. I hear the X is really efficient with the new design, along with the F1A 94 and C94. It is a good problem to have!
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Which Procharger to run is a difficult decision because of the options. But for your car it really comes down to 2 choices. F1-A-94 or the F1X.

Both will make 1000+. Its the torque you will sacrifice with the F1X is the problem. Also the F1-A-94 will be out of steam in the 1000-1150 range. So if you think you want more than that I would just go straight to the X and call it a day.
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Originally Posted by Lance@MTI
Which Procharger to run is a difficult decision because of the options. But for your car it really comes down to 2 choices. F1-A-94 or the F1X.

Both will make 1000+. Its the torque you will sacrifice with the F1X is the problem. Also the F1-A-94 will be out of steam in the 1000-1150 range. So if you think you want more than that I would just go straight to the X and call it a day.


I agree. I am leaning towards the X, because I never want to run out of blower. Looking so forward to the spring and early summer to get her back in the shop! It probably will be an adjustment going to centri, but I should hook up so much better and see a huge difference on the top end. I remember reading the X makes 10 somewhere around pounds at 4000 RPM. The car will not be a monster off idle, but should rock up top!
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Magnuson just posted the dyno pull from their green HellCat with a TVS2650. Car is all stock from air-box to catalysts except TVS2650 SC upgrade, 850cc injectors, and Borla cat back.
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Wow.. very impressive!..
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
Magnuson just posted the dyno pull from their green HellCat with a TVS2650. Car is all stock from air-box to catalysts except TVS2650 SC upgrade, 850cc injectors, and Borla cat back.
I'm surprised they needed to swap out the supercharger to get that kind of power since the Hellcats supercharger is a big 2.4Liter if I remember correctly.
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I am shocked but the numbers.. the car has to b on meth too.. 300 more horsepower with those mods.. idk.. 2400 to 2650 blower swap.. seems like a huge difference in power.. the power curve looks manageable.. it almost looks like a centrifugal blower curve in my opinion.. I hate to be one of the first to try something new like this.. procharger has been creating monster z 06s lately.. and my car reclines now at 7400.. I want to make my power up top not fall off with a PD blower.. I am still leaning towards procharger..
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Originally Posted by Lance@MTI
You have 2 different concepts of boost. So the real choice here is how bad do you want to spin the tires.

2650= Torque plus HP
Procharger= HP plus torque
Front mount are turbo's is the only way to go here.

F1x is the only way to go in the ls are lt platform. The F1X come in the higher RPM range and will keep pulling until you run out of road, Are blow up the motor.

I loved the F1X blower and RHS 427 motor set up in the c5. Very small cam good on the street from Brain Tooley made almost 1200 RWHP in it.

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Originally Posted by acz06
I am shocked but the numbers.. the car has to b on meth too.. 300 more horsepower with those mods.. idk.. 2400 to 2650 blower swap.. seems like a huge difference in power.. the power curve looks manageable.. it almost looks like a centrifugal blower curve in my opinion.. I hate to be one of the first to try something new like this.. procharger has been creating monster z 06s lately.. and my car reclines now at 7400.. I want to make my power up top not fall off with a PD blower.. I am still leaning towards procharger..
No meth, the system has a large intercooler core and the TVS2650 isn't working that hard here, it is capable of 1400-1500 CHP.

AT 871RWHP the fuel pressure was down to 64psi (from 80psi) and the 92mm throttle body is causing a very significant restriction to the SC intake system. More power was easily possible, but not without additional modifications to fuel system and the twin throttle system that Magnuson displayed at SEMA.
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
No meth, the system has a large intercooler core and the TVS2650 isn't working that hard here, it is capable of 1400-1500 CHP.

AT 871RWHP the fuel pressure was down to 64psi (from 80psi) and the 92mm throttle body is causing a very significant restriction to the SC intake system. More power was easily possible, but not without additional modifications to fuel system and the twin throttle system that Magnuson displayed at SEMA.
that setup looks killer!!

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I agree. That setup is badass looking.
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I wonder how this would compare to the Whipple 2.9 kit if both were bolted to an LS motor...
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Originally Posted by jholme7
I wonder how this would compare to the Whipple 2.9 kit if both were bolted to an LS motor...
Comparison testing has already been completed and there are compressor maps for both units. Below is a summary from the SEMA show.

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