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Old 11-19-2017, 06:19 PM
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2016 Stingray non-Z51, regular stock exhaust (3 inch tips), showroom stock. Primarily daily driver, will never 'track' the car. I've heard that the centrifugal blowers have a 'whistle' at all times, especially at idle and light throttle, so I'm leaning towards the roots style (e.g. Edelbrock) which (presumeably) does not whistle. Some Utube videos confirm P1 the whistle, but never ear witnessed a P1 in person. Did checkout an F1 and the sound of 'broken glass' was so loud, it could have been masking the whistle.
As a point of reference, I put 500 miles on a 2016 Z06 and loved it. Plenty of power, and sound was totally acceptable,like a non-supercharged engine. Does a P1 procharger whistle? Comments?
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Originally Posted by roller11
2016 Stingray non-Z51, regular stock exhaust (3 inch tips), showroom stock. Primarily daily driver, will never 'track' the car. I've heard that the centrifugal blowers have a 'whistle' at all times, especially at idle and light throttle, so I'm leaning towards the roots style (e.g. Edelbrock) which (presumeably) does not whistle. Some Utube videos confirm P1 the whistle, but never ear witnessed a P1 in person. Did checkout an F1 and the sound of 'broken glass' was so loud, it could have been masking the whistle.
As a point of reference, I put 500 miles on a 2016 Z06 and loved it. Plenty of power, and sound was totally acceptable,like a non-supercharged engine. Does a P1 procharger whistle? Comments?
If you for sure will be happy with only that power level & want it quite for sure go with the top blower. Robert
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If you for sure will be happy with only that power level & want it quite for sure go with the top blower. Robert
Do you have any personal first hand experience with either centrifugal or roots style? Comments welcome.
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Do you have any personal first hand experience with either centrifugal or roots style? Comments welcome.
Both I have had on my c5 now on the c7 I have the A/A TI head unit & love it. I would not have a root blower on a c7 at all they just don't seem to work at good on these cars. Plus seems to have a higher IAT temps on these cars also.

The last 3 set ups I have went with A/A due to the customer service. You will not get any better than Andy shop on this after the sale. He will talk to you even on the weekend phone rings over to his cell. Robert
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Does your A/A make a whistling sound at idle, or at light throttle under cruising conditions?
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Does your A/A make a whistling sound at idle, or at light throttle under cruising conditions?
Yes but I got the loud BOV if you get the quite one it will not be bad at all. The quite one has the filter on it. In a corvette this is the only way to go unless you have the money to go turbo are turbo's on the car.

To me on a top mount blower ALL that TQ & HP is all in at per say no more than 2400 RPM. I just didn't like paddling the car all that much off of idle. Now if you like red light to red light racing & showing the women a burn out that is the way to go. But for that reason PLUS high IAT if you go down the track more than 2 r 3 time max the car will be pulling timing like crazy from this. Robert

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Originally Posted by robert miller
Yes but I got the loud BOV if you get the quite one it will not be bad at all. The quite one has the filter on it. In a corvette this is the only way to go unless you have the money to go turbo are turbo's on the car.

To me on a top mount blower ALL that TQ & HP is all in at per say no more than 2400 RPM. I just didn't like paddling the car all that much off of idle. Now if you like red light to red light racing & showing the women a burn out that is the way to go. But for that reason PLUS high IAT if you go down the track more than 2 r 3 time max the car will be pulling timing like crazy from this. Robert
I dislike low speed, red light to red light tire burnouts, not my thing. In fact, the only time I nailed my Z06 was from a 45-60 MPH roll, then shut down around 110 MPH. The internal IAT was never an issue cause I would do one banzai 50-110 MPH pass, then normal cruising till I parked the car. No possibility that the car will ever see a race track. I also liked the Z06 cause of how effortlessly the power came in in normal street driving.

The only centrifugal blower I've witnessed was a procharger F1. Whenever the engine was running, it sounded like the engine was smashing beer bottles to pieces under the hood, a constant din of glass breaking. Aside from the whistling noise, does your A/A make any other noises?

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The Procharger is the way to go!! A ton of room to grow and super efficient!!!
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You need a Maggie 2300 - quiet, efficient, and with the latest intercooler upgrades they have no IAT issues. Great setup for street use with the base kit at 550RWHP and capability to grow up to 850-900 RWHP.
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
you need a maggie 2300 - quiet, efficient, and with the latest intercooler upgrades they have no iat issues. Great setup for street use with the base kit at 550rwhp and capability to grow up to 850-900 rwhp.
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
You need a Maggie 2300 - quiet, efficient, and with the latest intercooler upgrades they have no IAT issues. Great setup for street use with the base kit at 550RWHP and capability to grow up to 850-900 RWHP.
Still don't like the top mount blowers but this is why they make all diff stuff for these cars. Just don't like the power band range in a top mount. The best I liked so far that I have had on my car was the F1X set up. Comes in on the upper RPM range then pulls like crazy even thur the 1/4. Just didn't have the peddle the car as much off the line as top mount.

Glad the Maggie 2300 got the IAT set up worked out on the blower.
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Originally Posted by robert miller
Both I have had on my c5 now on the c7 I have the A/A TI head unit & love it. I would not have a root blower on a c7 at all they just don't seem to work at good on these cars. Plus seems to have a higher IAT temps on these cars also.

The last 3 set ups I have went with A/A due to the customer service. You will not get any better than Andy shop on this after the sale. He will talk to you even on the weekend phone rings over to his cell. Robert
Opposite here!
I had 3 centri set-ups and would not go back I like the Eaton units. No problems with IAT's. Easier power in my book! Don't like to have to worry about having Meth and the leaks under my hood.
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Opposite here!
I had 3 centri set-ups and would not go back I like the Eaton units. No problems with IAT's. Easier power in my book! Don't like to have to worry about having Meth and the leaks under my hood.
I am glad they got the IAT worked out & will also agree about the meth on the car. If the front mount is set up correct & with a little checking it out just like the top mount. No problems with leaks are nothing. I would like to see this new 2650 blower set up.

I am only working here from my first set up with a kenne bell & an ex vendor in here that didn't know the truth if it hit him in the face. Robert
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Both Edelbrock and Maggie post HP numbers that are less than a stock Z06 which uses a smaller capacity tvs 1700. Why does the smaller blower on a Z06 (LT4) produce more power than the larger blower on a stingray LT1? Is the difference purely in the engine? Or is there a way to get the same HP from the TVS2300/LT1 as the Z06/LT4?
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Originally Posted by roller11
Both Edelbrock and Maggie post HP numbers that are less than a stock Z06 which uses a smaller capacity tvs 1700. Why does the smaller blower on a Z06 (LT4) produce more power than the larger blower on a stingray LT1? Is the difference purely in the engine? Or is there a way to get the same HP from the TVS2300/LT1 as the Z06/LT4?
The smaller blower is probably pumping more air (using a much smaller blower pulley). If they're pumping similar amounts of air, the power will be similar on the same motor. The smaller blower is closer to being maxed out though. More "room" on the bigger 2.3L blowers to make more power.
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Originally Posted by roller11
2016 Stingray non-Z51, regular stock exhaust (3 inch tips), showroom stock. Primarily daily driver, will never 'track' the car. I've heard that the centrifugal blowers have a 'whistle' at all times, especially at idle and light throttle, so I'm leaning towards the roots style (e.g. Edelbrock) which (presumeably) does not whistle. Some Utube videos confirm P1 the whistle, but never ear witnessed a P1 in person. Did checkout an F1 and the sound of 'broken glass' was so loud, it could have been masking the whistle.
As a point of reference, I put 500 miles on a 2016 Z06 and loved it. Plenty of power, and sound was totally acceptable,like a non-supercharged engine. Does a P1 procharger whistle? Comments?
I have a base A8, 15 with a P1 all else stock (for now). Just washed the car two hours ago and left it running for a few minutes. The P1 is pretty quiet as I could barely hear the P1. So, at a stop light in gear you can’t tell it’s there with other cars surrounding you. My standard BOV is just a little bit quiet for me.

My opinion is find someone near you that has a P1 and go for a ride
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here is a clip of my procharger p1x.
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Originally Posted by kc stingray
here is a clip of my procharger p1x.
https://youtu.be/y0gFq-CaJN0
This is helpful, can you do another video like this one, only from inside the car at an idle? Hood closed, Winows up and windows down? THX!
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Originally Posted by 123sugey
I have a base A8, 15 with a P1 all else stock (for now). Just washed the car two hours ago and left it running for a few minutes. The P1 is pretty quiet as I could barely hear the P1. So, at a stop light in gear you can’t tell it’s there with other cars surrounding you. My standard BOV is just a little bit quiet for me.

My opinion is find someone near you that has a P1 and go for a ride
1. What is a "base A8, 15"?
2. Do you have a totally stock exhaust, and is it the 'performance' exhaust w/4 inch tips?
3. Are BOVs interchangeable between various manufactures? e.g. Could you install the quiet BOV from A/A onto a Procharger P1?

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Originally Posted by roller11
Both Edelbrock and Maggie post HP numbers that are less than a stock Z06 which uses a smaller capacity tvs 1700. Why does the smaller blower on a Z06 (LT4) produce more power than the larger blower on a stingray LT1? Is the difference purely in the engine? Or is there a way to get the same HP from the TVS2300/LT1 as the Z06/LT4?
The Maggie with an LT1 and A8 (auto) puts down 540-550 RWHP, my M7 (manual) C7 Z06 put down 545 RWHP stock on the same dyno. The power limit on an LT1 is not a SC limit, its a knock limit on 91 octane fuel. The Maggie 2300 on an otherwise stock LT1 with Drag radials will run 10.8-10.9 ETs @ ~130MPH.

Last time we were at the track there were a few A8 (auto) C7 Z06s, none of which could hang with our TVS2300 Z51 C7 A8.


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