C7 on hold according to Motor Trend
01-24-2008, 03:00 PM
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I'm confused as to why so many people keep making comments like "my Corvette already gets 25mpg..." That has nothing to do with the CAFE mileage it is rated at and that they have to meet. The government does not care what a bunch of folks on the forum get in their car, they look at the actual CAFE ratings - which are 16/26 or something like that.
01-24-2008, 03:03 PM
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It might be a bad idea for the Corvette to be rear mid-engined (I'm not convinced one way or the other), but why does that kill off the convertible? There are a few available already... Boxster, F430, Lambos, MR2 (ok, bad example).
01-24-2008, 03:20 PM
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Heck, with out pickups, what would all the drugstore cowboys drive to the bars ? 
01-24-2008, 03:23 PM
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Although this "leak" comes along with news of the Impala which hasn't been built yet, this could be an attempt to keep Corvette C6 buying enthusiasm up as we start to move into another recession...
01-24-2008, 07:21 PM
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01-25-2008, 09:06 AM
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Currently, the CAFE numbers are driven from a 55% urban cycle and 45% rural cycle. If you take the numbers off your Corvette window sticker and use those percentages, you will see what the CAFE mark for the Vette is. The 2008 fuel milage numbers are the better mark to work with, as those are based off the new test procedure and probably the procedure that will be used going forward.
The new 35mpg CAFE is simply a great tool for GM to throw sports car lovers into a frienzy. The real deal that GM(and all makes) need to deal with are the larger vehicles. GM's CAFE is barely touched with the Vette at 35K units a year, but trucks at 700K units or more per year.....well..... Take the new CTS for example. Gets great reviews, made car of the year, but it is AT LEAST 500lbs OVERWEIGHT for its market. This is the crap GM will need to deal with.
My bet is that GM could get the Vette to fuel rated numbers of 18-19mpg in town and 32-34 on the highway next year with simple tuning/technology implementations already used in other GM vehicles. This would put the Vette's CAFE above the BEST MILAGE one of those new trucks/SUVs can obtain on the freeway......
Either way, I would rather see the government increase the tax on gas and let the market place sort out the vehicle purchases. This legislating of the CAFE really pisses me off.
The new 35mpg CAFE is simply a great tool for GM to throw sports car lovers into a frienzy. The real deal that GM(and all makes) need to deal with are the larger vehicles. GM's CAFE is barely touched with the Vette at 35K units a year, but trucks at 700K units or more per year.....well..... Take the new CTS for example. Gets great reviews, made car of the year, but it is AT LEAST 500lbs OVERWEIGHT for its market. This is the crap GM will need to deal with.
My bet is that GM could get the Vette to fuel rated numbers of 18-19mpg in town and 32-34 on the highway next year with simple tuning/technology implementations already used in other GM vehicles. This would put the Vette's CAFE above the BEST MILAGE one of those new trucks/SUVs can obtain on the freeway......
Either way, I would rather see the government increase the tax on gas and let the market place sort out the vehicle purchases. This legislating of the CAFE really pisses me off.
01-25-2008, 10:28 AM
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Yep, this might be the watershed for high hp cars coming out of Detroit.
Even Jay Leno said while helping to auction off the new 620hp ZR1 at Barrett Jackson that with the new cafe limits this might be the last high HP Corvette we see for a while.
Strange, with the new Challenger coming out this year it feels like 1971 all over again!
Even Jay Leno said while helping to auction off the new 620hp ZR1 at Barrett Jackson that with the new cafe limits this might be the last high HP Corvette we see for a while.
Strange, with the new Challenger coming out this year it feels like 1971 all over again!
01-25-2008, 07:45 PM
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Another innumerate statement from Wallace. Losing 300 pounds is not a substitute for 105 hp. To keep the same performance, the weight loss to compensate for a 105 hp drop would have to be 735 pounds.
Also, am I the only one who is astonished that Wallace would be talking about bringing back the LS2? (In another quote, he was talking about a 4.7 liter engine, perhaps the more familar to him Northstar was on his mind.)
The one good piece of news is that the rear mid-engine Corvette that's been talked about is now officially dead because it won't work as a convertible. Good excuse to kill a bad idea.
Also, am I the only one who is astonished that Wallace would be talking about bringing back the LS2? (In another quote, he was talking about a 4.7 liter engine, perhaps the more familar to him Northstar was on his mind.)
The one good piece of news is that the rear mid-engine Corvette that's been talked about is now officially dead because it won't work as a convertible. Good excuse to kill a bad idea.
how they accomplish that I do not care, just do it
and if you don't believe it explain Lotus, they are faster because they are smaller, same goes for motorcycle
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01-25-2008, 09:31 PM
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I agree with you in principle, but the CAFE ratings for the base C6 are still 18/28, and I think the official C6 average is 23, but I might be slightly incorrect. (It is not usually published, and used only for calculating the gas guzzler tax.) The new "adjusted" CAFE ratings are not for official use, they're just the fudged numbers shown to us dumb 'ol consumers.
I'll admit that I've done searches and it's hard to find information on what they use for the "official" CAFE requirements that the manufacturers have to meet. Maybe someone can point us the right direction.
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