C7 General Discussion General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

v8 transition to v4 for mpg while cruising? best mpg on DODGE MAGNUM

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-01-2010, 02:41 PM
  #1  
bratt
Navigator
Thread Starter
 
bratt's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2007
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default v8 transition to v4 for mpg while cruising? best mpg on DODGE MAGNUM

"The Dodge Magnum R/T boasts technology that shuts down four of the Hemi's eight cylinders when the car is just cruising, delivering up to 30 miles per gallon during those moments." (http://www.automobile.com/2007-dodge-magnum.html)

I was wondering if the Corvette will ever be able to do this?
Maybe new computer modification upgrade?
Old 02-03-2010, 01:52 PM
  #2  
DSteck
Safety Car
 
DSteck's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,010
Received 83 Likes on 42 Posts
Tech Contributor

Default

GM already has a Gen IV small black capable of displacement on demand... It's the L99. Whether or not GM will put one in a Corvette, who knows, but the automatic Camaros use them.
Old 02-03-2010, 04:23 PM
  #3  
CPhelps
Drifting
 
CPhelps's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2006
Location: Bristol, VT
Posts: 1,370
Received 303 Likes on 173 Posts

Default

GM has had this ever since the LS4 in the 2006 W body cars (Impala, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix), and in the L99 as DSteck mentioned. Somewhere along the line GM changed their name from DoD (displacement on demand) to AFM (active fuel management), to further the confusion.

IIRC there was some issue with getting the system to work well with out the torque converter of an automatic transmission to soften the transition from 8 to 4 cylinders, which is why the L99 in the automatic Camaro SS has it, but the manual Camaro SS has the LS3.
Old 02-04-2010, 08:40 AM
  #4  
WhiteDiamond
Race Director
 
WhiteDiamond's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2001
Location: Castle Rock CO
Posts: 11,182
Received 84 Likes on 55 Posts
St. Jude Donor '15

Default

I think the biggest issue for the Vette getting such a system is the exhaust problem. On freer flowing exhaust systems, there is a very noticable change in tone when the system switches to 4 cyclinder mode. Ask any of the Dodge Hemi guys who swapped exhuasts on a truck or car with this system. Since the truck and cars can support a larger exhaust system(DoD cars seem to have three chambers, cats/main muffler/resonator), we will continue to see the system on those vehicles. The current Corvette layout makes such an exhuast very difficult and it would definately be heavier that the current exhaust.
Old 02-04-2010, 11:43 AM
  #5  
I Bin Therbefor
Drifting
 
I Bin Therbefor's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2002
Location: Chapel Hill NC
Posts: 1,260
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Excessive vibration caused in the 6M trans cars. Works O.K. for the 6A.

Note in Camaro, only used in the A not the M.
Old 02-04-2010, 12:52 PM
  #6  
Z0SEX
Instructor
 
Z0SEX's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Humble Texas
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

There are numerous occasions when I get around 30mpg in my M6 Z06...I think technology like that has no reason to be in a "Sports" car; I don't know too many corvette owners that are worried about the MPG when looking purchase one.
Old 02-05-2010, 09:02 PM
  #7  
Dudeiwin86
Advanced
 
Dudeiwin86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

it doesnt belong.

i drive a 2006 dodge charger (shopping for a daily driver so i can put my charger back to stock and trade in on a vette).

its a 5.7L and came factory with "MDS" aka multiple displacement system.... i could get up to 28 or 32 mpg easily on the highway... but its really irritatting.
if you have aftermarket exhaust... when it kicks down to 4 cyl mode.. most of them drone like a hona Civic fart can.

with heads/cam i disabled MDS completely and never would turn it back on until i trade it in bone stock.

the only reason they really did it tho is so they can have a higehr horsepower/emissions tuning and still get away with passing regulation MPG figures.

the new hemis coming out (6.4L) in 2012 will have this as well i hear.
Old 02-06-2010, 09:39 AM
  #8  
Kevin93
Burning Brakes
 
Kevin93's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2000
Location: North Wales PA
Posts: 767
Received 148 Likes on 59 Posts

Default

I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 340-hp Hemi and DoD and there are two things I've noticed
1) It is very non-invasive - I can't even tell when it's running on four
2) The mpg is still dismal, even on the highway (low teens), to the point I can't imagine how much worse it could be.

On a Vette though, the much lower Cd and taller gearing would probably make it more beneficial.
Old 02-06-2010, 11:35 AM
  #9  
mike100
Safety Car
 
mike100's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2008
Location: San Marcos CA
Posts: 4,344
Received 47 Likes on 41 Posts

Default

not mentioned yet...

more aggressive camshaft profiles conflict with DoD schemes that disable hydraulic flow to the lifters to shut down cylinders. big cams will wreck DoD lifters and or can't be used with higher spring pressures/rpms most likely.
Old 02-06-2010, 02:55 PM
  #10  
CPhelps
Drifting
 
CPhelps's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2006
Location: Bristol, VT
Posts: 1,370
Received 303 Likes on 173 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mike100
not mentioned yet...

more aggressive camshaft profiles conflict with DoD schemes that disable hydraulic flow to the lifters to shut down cylinders. big cams will wreck DoD lifters and or can't be used with higher spring pressures/rpms most likely.
Very true, and one of the reasons the L99 in the automatic Camaro SS has ~400 hp instead of the ~430 that the LS3 does in both Camaro and Corvette trim.
Old 02-06-2010, 04:38 PM
  #11  
97Black
Burning Brakes
 
97Black's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2004
Location: Orchard Park N.Y.
Posts: 830
Received 56 Likes on 36 Posts

Default

"i could get up to 28 or 32 mpg easily on the highway... but its really irritatting."

I also have an '06 Charger with the 5.7L but get nowhere near your 28-32 mpg. I usually drive 70 on the highway and average about 24 mpg on extended driving. Around town gets me around 17.
Old 02-08-2010, 12:32 PM
  #12  
Michrider
Safety Car
 
Michrider's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: Dallas Tx
Posts: 3,563
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I have a new Camaro SS, LS3 6 spd manual version. Absolutely love it.
I drove an L99 version, Auto with AFM 4 cyl mode. Absolutely hated it.

In the Camaro enthusiasts websites one of the biggest complaints is the stupid 4 cyl mode in the L99, and how to disable it thru tuning.

You might pick up a slight fraction of an mpg improvement, but it kills any joy of driving the car. If Corvette ever gets that horrid feature, it will not be purchased with my money.
Old 03-23-2010, 11:26 PM
  #13  
brentil
Instructor
 
brentil's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: Orlando FL
Posts: 233
Received 40 Likes on 22 Posts

Default

As GM evolves the technology we will probably see a tech like this in a future Corvette if they continue the pure V8 route.
Old 03-25-2010, 02:45 PM
  #14  
Dudeiwin86
Advanced
 
Dudeiwin86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

the thing about it is,
its one of the only ways to be able to get a big-inch engine and still pass the Emmissions laws.

Chrysler is working on the new 6.4L hemi (to replace the 6.1L currently in SRT8 vehicles)

it will supposed have MDS (mulitple displacement system... aka DoD) as well as VCT (variable cam timing)

the new 5.7 in the R/T chrysler vehicles has VCT in them since 2009, which is how they make their extra horsepower over the 08 and earlier 5.7L vehicles.

these two tricks combined allow Chrysler to get passed emmissions standards on their bigger cube motors.

i think we will see a LOT more of this across all platforms and makes just so that we are still able to have our small (big cubic inch) block v8's we have now.

--

that wont stop the aftermarket from developing replacement lifters, and tunes to disable the system so we can go big on the cam.

and further more, as was mentioned, the transition from MDS 4-cyl mode, over to 8-cyl mode takes THOUSANDTHS of a second, there is not NOTICABLE performance loss.

with stock exhaust you cannot hear the transition...
the #1 reason people complain about the chyrler system is because they go and put aftermarket exhaust on their car, and now 4 cylinder mode sounds like.... just that... a 4 cylinder vehicle.

the drone on the highway in MDS Mode is insanely bad with aftermarket exhaust on the car, since they dont have the factory resonance cancellation for the 4 cyl modes.

however, the performance is still there. and there is no hesitation with the transition.

--

furthermore.
we stroked my buddies 5.7 (345 c.u) engine out to a 392 c.u.
we then took out his 2006 "mds lifters" and replaced them with 2009 MDS lifters
(the 2009 lifters accommodate more lift)
now his 450RWHP stroker motor has MDS on it working flawlessly.

he disables it most of the time, but enables it when he goes for long drives.

it has its quirks, but its not all bad.
as long as i can get rid of it if i want to, at least it will keep the big inch motors coming from the factory.

Get notified of new replies

To v8 transition to v4 for mpg while cruising? best mpg on DODGE MAGNUM




Quick Reply: v8 transition to v4 for mpg while cruising? best mpg on DODGE MAGNUM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:37 PM.