Manual Gear Box Phase out in Europe
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Manual Gear Box Phase out in Europe
Lamborghini, Ferrari and (rumored) Porsche performance cars, no more manual gearboxs. Audi rumored next in Europe.
If true, GM will have to offer a DSG type gearbox for European sales if it wants to continue in that market.
If true, GM will have to offer a DSG type gearbox for European sales if it wants to continue in that market.
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The sole two reasons the C6 ZR1 is not a factory 10 second quarter mile car is due to its antique 6 speed manual transmiission and not enough traction. With the horsepower to weight ratio of 5.2 for the ZR1 a dual clutch transmission would have pushed the car into the high 10's and traction would not have needed further addressing. As like most, I'm opposed to our Corvettes becoming AWD. Just think of the press and additional interest GM would've gotten for their 2009 Corvette ZR1 if the car could run consistent 10's in the quarter on factory tires! That feat was unheard of in 2009 for a car that you could aquire at a local dealership!! However, the honor of the first readily available production car to break into the 10 second club went to our arch-nemisis, Porsche, with their 2011 911 Turbo S that consistently runs 10 second quarter mile times.
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The current Porsche turbo S is blazingly quick, hitting 60 in as quick as 2.9. This is because of both AWD and the PDK tranny. however, the ZR1 will beat it in a mile race. But it really does not make a difference as to which car can hit 190 first. I an not a big AWD fan, but i do love a great DCT, and if the ZR1 had a DTC it would be quicker than it is now. And i guarante you that the C7 will offer a true DTC along with a 3 pedal car. Chevy must do this to keep up with everyone else.
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I really believe GM must go the DCT route, sooner than later. And when they go to that transmission, the manual and automatics as we know them today will be a thing of the past.
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They are already testing their DCT in the GT2 car. By the time the C7 hits the streets there shouldn't be any reason why it isn't the only transmission available. Will satisfy manual transmission advocates since it is direct drive and will satisfy auto trans advocates since it will run automatically. Best of both worlds. Probably would lower overall costs as well since it always costs more to have two different subassemblies from a production maintenance and parts support standpoint.
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They are already testing their DCT in the GT2 car. By the time the C7 hits the streets there shouldn't be any reason why it isn't the only transmission available. Will satisfy manual transmission advocates since it is direct drive and will satisfy auto trans advocates since it will run automatically. Best of both worlds. Probably would lower overall costs as well since it always costs more to have two different subassemblies from a production maintenance and parts support standpoint.
Bill
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They are already testing their DCT in the GT2 car. By the time the C7 hits the streets there shouldn't be any reason why it isn't the only transmission available. Will satisfy manual transmission advocates since it is direct drive and will satisfy auto trans advocates since it will run automatically. Best of both worlds. Probably would lower overall costs as well since it always costs more to have two different subassemblies from a production maintenance and parts support standpoint.
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Or it can compete by being the only crazy-fast car left for three-pedal fans.
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The manual trans offers control over the operation of the car that a DCT will NEVER offer. Most of these DCT's will shift on their own or deny you a shift when you want it. If I need a ride do decide for me how I want to drive, I'll take the train instead. I think that many of the people that want the manumatics are shumacher wanabees that dont want to develop the skill (or dont have it) do manage the machinery properly.
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The manual trans offers control over the operation of the car that a DCT will NEVER offer. ..... If I need a ride do decide for me how I want to drive, I'll take the train instead. I think that many of the people that want the manumatics are shumacher wanabees that dont want to develop the skill (or dont have it) do manage the machinery properly.
I've driven manuals since learning to drive, starting with a tractor, at age 12. I've raced cars from the 1960 time-frame until a few years ago. I know how to manage a manual, and I'm damned sure I speak for many more on this forum.
The DCT is the transmission of the future, and it's here today. If you can''t accept change, maybe it is time for you to take the choo-choo!!
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They also pick the much slower Maserati Gran Turismo MC over faster cars for the same reason, it is more fun to drive.
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Many ricers will rip V8 cars off the line due to AWD also.
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It's gotta really **** off the engineers that many buyers reject their new high-tech transmissions and demand an old-fashioned manual.
Too bad the buyers have the money.
Too bad the buyers have the money.
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If you and a few others demand manual transmissions in the future, GM won't give a ****! The world's main sports car population embraces the DCT.