Smaller motor for the new c7's
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12
Smaller motor for the new c7's
Not sure if this has been posted or not.
Barrett-Jackson pretty much confirmed that there will be a smaller displacement motor in the new vettes.
Some guys from chevy were talking about how "this c6" will be the last of the 427's.
i found it interesting how they were wording everything.
Barrett-Jackson pretty much confirmed that there will be a smaller displacement motor in the new vettes.
Some guys from chevy were talking about how "this c6" will be the last of the 427's.
i found it interesting how they were wording everything.
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"This" C6 happened to be the 427 they were auctioning at the time. They didn't say the basic 6.2 (376") was going away. Still conjecture amigo.
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12
I knew they still had the other motors. but if they talk about going away with their "big power" motor, they will go a bit smaller with FI or something. They also commented on how all the other big auto makers (like mercedes, bmw, etc) are going smaller displacement but find more power.
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I think the long rumored 5.5L is not going to happen, at least not right away?
I do believe that the LS7/427 might be going away after 2013.
Yes that could be as well, much like the current ZR1 motor is smaller in displacement than the Z06's motor is yet still makes LOTS more power, that too could possibly carry over in some form to the next generation Corvette.
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With the Active Handling, launch control and tire technology that's out there now, I don't think that kind of power will necessarily mandate the need for AWD, though it could certainly help. I think AWD will add too much cost and weight to the Corvette as well as hurt it's stellar fuel economy capabilities.
The engineers would likely drop some power along with some weight to hit their targets rather than going for some bloated/overweight high powered AWD combo, in my opinion.
It will be.
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2011 Bash comments
Last year's Bash comments by the Corvette CE did have a lot of talk about power to weight ratios. Wonder how many questions this year will start with " Now that the Viper/Mustang are out, how is the Corvette going to respond?"
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LOL.. I wouldn't compare the Vette to a Mustang or a Shelby. They're different classed cars.
The Shelby is a cool car, but on the track it doesn't take the place of a Corvette. That may sound biased, but it's true. Have you ever seen a Shelby 550GT out run a Corvette on the track stock for stock? I haven't.
The Shelby is a cool car, but on the track it doesn't take the place of a Corvette. That may sound biased, but it's true. Have you ever seen a Shelby 550GT out run a Corvette on the track stock for stock? I haven't.
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LOL.. I wouldn't compare the Vette to a Mustang or a Shelby. They're different classed cars.
The Shelby is a cool car, but on the track it doesn't take the place of a Corvette. That may sound biased, but it's true. Have you ever seen a Shelby 550GT out run a Corvette on the track stock for stock? I haven't.
The Shelby is a cool car, but on the track it doesn't take the place of a Corvette. That may sound biased, but it's true. Have you ever seen a Shelby 550GT out run a Corvette on the track stock for stock? I haven't.
If it comes in at less then $60k with the performance pack, which it sounds like it might, even as a vette fanboi I'd need to see some real justification as to why I should pony up all that extra money for a z06 or z07. It vs the base vette/grandsport? From a peformance perspective and not having blinders of "oh well its a mustang" or "having a vette is prestige" not sure you could convince me to get an ls3 vette over the GT500. But A LOT remains to be seen.
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Coming from a former owner of a 2001 380 rwhp Honda S2000, I wouldn't mind a smaller v8 engine, one that can rev a solid 8,000 rpms, cause I think everyone can agree the sound of a v8 at over 7,000 rpms is really when it gives you goosebumps.
Still I love my 2002 corvette, it's got power like an electric motor. Very smooth and very predictable, plus it gets better gas mileage than my s2000 with it's 2.0 liter engine. (c5 at 25 mpg vs 21 mpg combined city and highway.)
I love the Corvette as it reminds me of the lightweight roadster feel of the Honda s2000 and the Mazda Miatas that I absolutely loved! I could never own a mustang, a camaro, or a challenger as all three absolutely abandon the principle of the light weight sports car. Yeah you can put as much power as you want to make up for the weight, but it never replaces the cars feeling in terms of steering response, agility, and feeling light on it's feet.
Still I love my 2002 corvette, it's got power like an electric motor. Very smooth and very predictable, plus it gets better gas mileage than my s2000 with it's 2.0 liter engine. (c5 at 25 mpg vs 21 mpg combined city and highway.)
I love the Corvette as it reminds me of the lightweight roadster feel of the Honda s2000 and the Mazda Miatas that I absolutely loved! I could never own a mustang, a camaro, or a challenger as all three absolutely abandon the principle of the light weight sports car. Yeah you can put as much power as you want to make up for the weight, but it never replaces the cars feeling in terms of steering response, agility, and feeling light on it's feet.
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True, a Mustang and a Corvette are not in the same class or market but a 650hp Mustang for under $60k (or even the current 550hp GT500 for under $50k) still has to have the Corvette Team thinking long and hard about 'public image' and such.
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You can't wow people with a new vette with less power than the competition's current pony cars. I don't care how you compare them or what fruit analogy you use, the Vette must come out and stomp on them on day one or you have already lost customers. IMHO, of course.
Think back to when the C6 came out and the price and performance you got with that and compare it to the competition at the time. I don't think any cars compared well.
Ford is already doing all it can to shave weight from all their vehicles. GM should do the same, especially with the Vette.
I hope for an aluminum frame for all models of C7. They had an entire generation to perfect the process and now they should begin mass producing the aluminum frame so as to bring the cost down. To me, that would be a great step in the right direction. Imagine a new Vette weighing in at under 3000 pounds. It sounds almost impossible, but if it was pulled off then that would up the performance ante and also help with that cafe garbage.
I hope they wow us because I am a fan of the Vette and hope they can pull this off.
Think back to when the C6 came out and the price and performance you got with that and compare it to the competition at the time. I don't think any cars compared well.
Ford is already doing all it can to shave weight from all their vehicles. GM should do the same, especially with the Vette.
I hope for an aluminum frame for all models of C7. They had an entire generation to perfect the process and now they should begin mass producing the aluminum frame so as to bring the cost down. To me, that would be a great step in the right direction. Imagine a new Vette weighing in at under 3000 pounds. It sounds almost impossible, but if it was pulled off then that would up the performance ante and also help with that cafe garbage.
I hope they wow us because I am a fan of the Vette and hope they can pull this off.
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Rumors about a V6 engine being offered as well.
http://wot.motortrend.com/your-say-s...#ixzz1k1tQFe00
..let's not hope that.
That would be a sad day in history.
And I agree with the Corvettes and Mustangs being different classes and cant be compared.
http://wot.motortrend.com/your-say-s...#ixzz1k1tQFe00
..let's not hope that.
That would be a sad day in history.
And I agree with the Corvettes and Mustangs being different classes and cant be compared.
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You can quote me now, the 2013 gt500 is going to be stupidly close, if not tied with the z06 around most tracks. In the test in, I believe, car and driver between the 2011 GT500, 2011 z07, and 2012 GTR(with 530hp), for LITERALLY being half the price of the z07 and GTR, the GT500 was just way to close for comfort to the z07. Ford has seriously stepped their game up and is being quite coy about it. For instance aiming the boss 302 at the M3? I have a feeling they knew the 5.0 GT could match it already. Aiming the 2013 GT500(cant they just call it the GT650?!?) at the ZL1 camaro I think was a small scale goal since they knew the ZL1 could only have so much hp. I think the z06 might have been the real target.
If it comes in at less then $60k with the performance pack, which it sounds like it might, even as a vette fanboi I'd need to see some real justification as to why I should pony up all that extra money for a z06 or z07. It vs the base vette/grandsport? From a peformance perspective and not having blinders of "oh well its a mustang" or "having a vette is prestige" not sure you could convince me to get an ls3 vette over the GT500. But A LOT remains to be seen.
If it comes in at less then $60k with the performance pack, which it sounds like it might, even as a vette fanboi I'd need to see some real justification as to why I should pony up all that extra money for a z06 or z07. It vs the base vette/grandsport? From a peformance perspective and not having blinders of "oh well its a mustang" or "having a vette is prestige" not sure you could convince me to get an ls3 vette over the GT500. But A LOT remains to be seen.
from Motor Trend ". . .the Mustang, with times of 4.1 to 60 and 12.4 at 115.8 in the quarter . . . Z06 3.8 0 to 60 and 11.8 123.4 in the quarter . . . GT 500 lateral acc 1.01g, Z06 1.08g . . . At 1:23.5 the '11 Shelby may be 3-seconds-a-lap quicker than its predecessor, but around the Streets of Willow it also happens to be 3.1 seconds slower than the Z06"
And as a note, all the dealers around here are charging $5000 over MSRP for GT500s.
That is $58k with the SVT handling package and no other options.. I know where there is new 2011 red 3LT GS manual Corvette for $57k, even with less power, seems like a better deal to me.
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Is it possible that the C7 debuts with the 6.2L (or some version of it) and that a smaller engine (5.5L?)comes out later in the Z06/ZR1? I know that history wouldn't point towards this, but could they use higher tech as opposed to higher displacement?
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Displacement specifics aside, there can be no doubt that GM is going to have to improve the Corvette's fuel mileage numbers. I think a displacement decrease is likely, but the bigger gains will come for direct injection, cylinder deactivation, etc.
I'm not hung up on how big it is, but I am very hung up on it being a V8. A V6 can not and will not ever SOUND like a Corvette is supposed to sound IMO. There is simply no circumstances under which I would consider a non-V8 powered Corvette.
I'm not hung up on how big it is, but I am very hung up on it being a V8. A V6 can not and will not ever SOUND like a Corvette is supposed to sound IMO. There is simply no circumstances under which I would consider a non-V8 powered Corvette.
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