??? Which is faster ZL1 or base C7
05-21-2012, 08:21 PM
#41
Team Owner
I dad a conversation with a shuttle bus driver in San Jose a few weeks back who still thought Corvettes were only good for straight lines. I gave him an education on Corvettes to bring him up to speed and let him know Corvettes can beat Ferarri and Aston Martin on race tracks. The public at large is still woefully uneducated when it comes to the capabilities of modern Corvettes.
There really is A LOT of bias and 'stuck in the past' mentalities out there when it comes to certain cars.
Same thing goes for fuel economy... "shame on you Corvette guys with your big thirsty V8s that get only 9mpg on the highway!".
We hear it all of the time.
05-21-2012, 09:02 PM
#42
Burning Brakes
No, actually it isn't.
The car has 580hp, launch control, the tires are 305mm wide and aren't exactly the ultra hard rubber compound of a 1997 C5's runflat either LOL.
Again it is rare but there are even a few stock Corvettes that have cut high 1.6 sixty foots on stock Goodyear run flats as well, 1.7s are more common though.
Well for one, it doesn't, it cuts a 1.73.
The 1.698 (again, that's practically a 1.7) sixty foot and 11.96 pass was from the manual car, not the automatic car (which ran an 11.93 on the aforementioned 1.73 sixty foot).
As you well know, a manual transmission with a clutch allows for a sort of 'infinitely variable' stall speed, one can leave at almost any RPM that they choose (within reason) in order to maximize their launch. This was done a prepped drag strip as well don't forget.
You may not be "buying it" but that is what they're claiming emphatically and as one who has done A LOT of drag racing/test passes with stock/bolt ons only cars on all different kinds of tires/track surfaces, I do believe what that their claims are very possible/probable too.
The car has 580hp, launch control, the tires are 305mm wide and aren't exactly the ultra hard rubber compound of a 1997 C5's runflat either LOL.
Again it is rare but there are even a few stock Corvettes that have cut high 1.6 sixty foots on stock Goodyear run flats as well, 1.7s are more common though.
Well for one, it doesn't, it cuts a 1.73.
The 1.698 (again, that's practically a 1.7) sixty foot and 11.96 pass was from the manual car, not the automatic car (which ran an 11.93 on the aforementioned 1.73 sixty foot).
As you well know, a manual transmission with a clutch allows for a sort of 'infinitely variable' stall speed, one can leave at almost any RPM that they choose (within reason) in order to maximize their launch. This was done a prepped drag strip as well don't forget.
You may not be "buying it" but that is what they're claiming emphatically and as one who has done A LOT of drag racing/test passes with stock/bolt ons only cars on all different kinds of tires/track surfaces, I do believe what that their claims are very possible/probable too.
05-21-2012, 09:39 PM
#43
Le Mans Master
This is VERY true (unfortunately).
There really is A LOT of bias and 'stuck in the past' mentalities out there when it comes to certain cars.
Same thing goes for fuel economy... "shame on you Corvette guys with your big thirsty V8s that get only 9mpg on the highway!".
We hear it all of the time.
There really is A LOT of bias and 'stuck in the past' mentalities out there when it comes to certain cars.
Same thing goes for fuel economy... "shame on you Corvette guys with your big thirsty V8s that get only 9mpg on the highway!".
We hear it all of the time.
05-21-2012, 09:41 PM
#44
Team Owner
I'm not questioning your experiences but I have over 100 passes behind the wheel of multiple 5th gen Camaros and trust with their suspension geometry and a street tire a high 1.6, low 1.7 is next to impossible. It's hard to find a built suspension 5th gen cutting lower than a 1.6 and that is with a lot more than 580 hp.
My friend's 5th gen Camaro SS manual, naturally aspirated/stock bottom end LS3 with bolt ons, heads & cam, gears, tuning and on a sticky tire of course.
Making roughly stock ZL1 power and on lowering springs (but with otherwise stock suspension) and some weight reduction as well so it's not a great comparison, but a decent one.
MANY 1.5x sixty foots with a best of 1.54 (or 1.52?) I believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACO8O...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqzVM...layer_embedded
05-21-2012, 10:57 PM
#46
Team Owner
05-21-2012, 11:40 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
Oh, I thought it had the conversion done. That car is impressive. I broke too many drive train components with only 423rwhp to keep going forward with my car.
05-22-2012, 01:18 AM
#48
Former Vendor
Man if only I could get a 1.6 60'. I would be running mid 11s with terrible air.
When I went to the strip the fastest 60' I saw all day was a 1.7 on a H/C nitrous auto with a stall converter, drag radials, and trans brake.
I'm not saying 1.6 is impossible but 99.9% of drivers out there aren't going to make that happen on stock tires.
When I went to the strip the fastest 60' I saw all day was a 1.7 on a H/C nitrous auto with a stall converter, drag radials, and trans brake.
I'm not saying 1.6 is impossible but 99.9% of drivers out there aren't going to make that happen on stock tires.
05-22-2012, 08:46 AM
#49
Drifting
Fine, despite the questionable evidence, Ill accept they got that kind of 60 ft'er. But then they cut off .1 by using drag radials?!?! Thats the best they could get using drag radials?!?! It's all just fishy, more then fishy really. This is on par with the whole "did the GTR originally use some different tire or not" when they ran the ring.
But considering the gt500 specs released months ago, I'm really not that concerned. Although surprisingly, it looks like it will undercut the gt500 track pack/performance pack/whatever pack but a couple grand. But considering what you get, I think the gt500's price is justified. Especially since that 662 has to be on an incredibly mild tune...
But considering the gt500 specs released months ago, I'm really not that concerned. Although surprisingly, it looks like it will undercut the gt500 track pack/performance pack/whatever pack but a couple grand. But considering what you get, I think the gt500's price is justified. Especially since that 662 has to be on an incredibly mild tune...
05-22-2012, 03:57 PM
#51
Team Owner
But considering the gt500 specs released months ago, I'm really not that concerned. Although surprisingly, it looks like it will undercut the gt500 track pack/performance pack/whatever pack but a couple grand. But considering what you get, I think the gt500's price is justified. Especially since that 662 has to be on an incredibly mild tune...
Rumor has it that the car has already run in the mid 11s at 125-129mph
in stock trim.That's clearly a high 10 second car on sticky rear tires in cooler temps.
05-23-2012, 09:13 AM
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i traded a 2010 GS A6 moded by 21 century Muscle Cars in Dallas. they rated it at 700 flywheel hp. I dynoed it at 560 rwhp for a ZL1 with auto. No question the GS was faster in a straight but there is no way it's a close match on a road course. The ZL1 pretty much has it all. As to weight to hp? ask some of those CTSV owners what they think. It's an issue but as all you boosted corvette owners know hp is pretty easy...handeling is a whole nother story. enjoy your ride!
05-23-2012, 11:28 AM
#53
Burning Brakes
Are you trying to say a stock ZL1 is faster around a road course than a boosted GS?? Stock the ZL1 has a slight edge, with an additional 250 HP the GS would lay waste to the ZL1.
05-23-2012, 12:58 PM
#55
Drifting
i traded a 2010 GS A6 moded by 21 century Muscle Cars in Dallas. they rated it at 700 flywheel hp. I dynoed it at 560 rwhp for a ZL1 with auto. No question the GS was faster in a straight but there is no way it's a close match on a road course. The ZL1 pretty much has it all. As to weight to hp? ask some of those CTSV owners what they think. It's an issue but as all you boosted corvette owners know hp is pretty easy...handeling is a whole nother story. enjoy your ride!
05-23-2012, 06:57 PM
#57
Burning Brakes
... and that's one of the value propositions for that vehicle: "easy to drive at the limit". Pretty impressive vehicle all around in my opinion. It gives you a glimpse of what's coming with the C7.
05-23-2012, 07:28 PM
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05-23-2012, 07:39 PM
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05-23-2012, 08:10 PM
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Just to keep you C7 forum guys all jacked up. Pure speculation at this point.
Which will be faster, the super Camaro ZL1 or base C7? I'm guessing the C7 will have around 450HP. Which seems underpowered with all the cars in 600HP club.
The C7 needs at least 500hp to stay in the game. IMO.
and yes, I can't wait for car and driver to do a head to head test of the ZL1 and 2013 Shelby.
Let the debate begin, just play nice.
Which will be faster, the super Camaro ZL1 or base C7? I'm guessing the C7 will have around 450HP. Which seems underpowered with all the cars in 600HP club.
The C7 needs at least 500hp to stay in the game. IMO.
and yes, I can't wait for car and driver to do a head to head test of the ZL1 and 2013 Shelby.
Let the debate begin, just play nice.