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Old 05-21-2012, 08:17 PM
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
It was mentioned in a salesman's brochure(not for the public to see, but now all over the Internet) about the upcoming 2013. I'm guessing GM wanted the salesmen to know that the above models had been dropped for 2014, to encourage them to push for 2013 C6 sales.
Yeah... that is TOTALLY NOT "C7 would not have the Grand Sport, the 427 Convertible, the Z06 or the ZR1, maybe they are planning on resurrecting an old name or thinking up a new one." That is simply what we all expected, that the first model year would have just coupe and convertible. That doesn't say there won't be more models beyond that during C7's run, or that GM will be coming up with new model names.

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Originally Posted by Jinx
Yeah... that is TOTALLY NOT "C7 would not have the Grand Sport, the 427 Convertible, the Z06 or the ZR1, maybe they are planning on resurrecting an old name or thinking up a new one." That is simply what we all expected, that the first model year would have just coupe and convertible. That doesn't say there won't be more models beyond that during C7's run, or that GM will be coming up with new model names.

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The key wording is "and marks the end of the following models for some time:"

I guess it depends on how long is "for some time". A month, a year, five years? The point was that GM told the dealers that the models mentioned in the brochure would not be in the C7 lineup for "some time".

As for as coming up with new name, I didn't say they wouldn't come up with any new names. If they did come up with a new name to replace the Z06, ZR1, GS, etc, then they wouldn't be producing the old names, now would they? They would be producing the new named model.
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Originally Posted by prinzSD455
I say BS. My car was at a Chevy dealership before a certain show put on by the dealership. While I was waiting for my car to brought up, I spoke with the fleet manager and asked if they would be getting any early previews of the C7. His response, "most likley those of us on the forum would know more about the C7 then they would before it comes out". I call that an honest and refreshing answer based on all this my saleman said this and that saleman said that.
And you're full of BS. What I posted came straight from a GM sales brochure that they made especially for the dealer's salespeople. I can't help it if your dealer doesn't read what GM sends them.
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C7 the best kept secret by GM in decades. I believe it's going to be awesome, after all they spent 135 million to retool the plant, thats four times what they spent to retool for the C6
Old 05-21-2012, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by george vee
C7 the best kept secret by GM in decades. I believe it's going to be awesome, after all they spent 135 million to retool the plant, thats four times what they spent to retool for the C6
Interesting observation.
Old 05-21-2012, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by george vee
I believe it's going to be awesome, after all they spent 135 million to retool the plant, thats four times what they spent to retool for the C6
Is that true, it's really four times the amount?
Ok, my excitement for the C7 has just been rejuvenated/reinvigorated LOL.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Is that true, it's really four times the amount?
Ok, my excitement for the C7 has just been rejuvenated/reinvigorated LOL.
Some of that money came from the design department, which saved a bundle by transplanting the Camaro stern onto the C7 . . . .

Besides, what does it really matter how much is spent on retooling, if the car that rolls out the door isn't what you want to see?
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoBert
Some of that money came from the design department, which saved a bundle by transplanting the Camaro stern onto the C7 . . . .

Besides, what does it really matter how much is spent on retooling, if the car that rolls out the door isn't what you want to see?
It matters. I'd call it a good start for that much of an investment. I forgot they put that much into retooling.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by george vee
C7 the best kept secret by GM in decades. I believe it's going to be awesome, after all they spent 135 million to retool the plant, thats four times what they spent to retool for the C6
The number to retool for the C7 after the C6 was originally quoted as $131 million so $135 may be the latest figure. That being spent now and until the C6 is finished production.

I live very close to the GM Wilmington, De plant that is going through a major retool from the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky build to the extremely different electric Fisker over a three year period. That retooling, as extensive as I suspect it is, is quoted as $175 million!!!!!

What the heck is costing so much to prepare for the C7 if it's not an indication that some major changes to the Corvette is in the works?

Please Corvette friends enlighten me with your combined wisdom.

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Originally Posted by 1985 Corvette
It matters. I'd call it a good start for that much of an investment. I forgot they put that much into retooling.
It matters if the car sells well. If it doesn't, then the tooling investment has fewer units for amortization. That matters, too.

New tooling doesn't sell cars, it only makes them more expensive.

There are many who believe that massive changes are not needed for the C7. Evolutionary changes, which improve the breed, yes.
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoBert
I took that remark to mean a kid who is a sports wannabe . . .
Same here. I thought that's how it was intended. Sounds like that response was unwarranted
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The plant investment may be a major reworking of an existing process... or it may be bringing in-house something that was done by a supplier. Which in turn could be an aluminum frame (Z06/ZR1 chassis today are built by a subcontractor and shipped to Bowling Green in one big piece) or something completely different (and less exciting).

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Originally Posted by Racer X
As the father of a child that wore a helmet, but didn't play sports, I could be highly offended, but I won't, because I am sure that was not your intent.
You're exactly right in that the intent was not to insult, and the joke was received pretty much exactly as conveyed. My humor can indeed be crass and I appreciate the amnesty and levelheadedness. That said, there's really no way to jokingly call anybody a dummy anymore, as you can throw a stone and hit somebody within your range who is connected with whichever means of debilitation you choose as your jab at one's aptitude. While I can't in good conscience give an apology, I certainly can thank you for seeing it for nothing more than the crass humor it was.
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Originally Posted by SlickShoes
Sounds like your salesman is about the kind of kid that wears a helmet but doesn't play sports, if you know what I mean.
I do know what you mean! Up here we call them "hardy boys" long story..

Just a jab at my wannabe ex son inlaw...

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
Since GM has said the C7 would not have the Grand Sport, the 427 Convertible, the Z06 or the ZR1, maybe they are planning on resurrecting an old name or thinking up a new one. Since the 'Sting Ray' has such a favorable memory in most peoples eyes, it could make a comeback. I have an original 1964 Sting Ray in my garage, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 2014 Sting Ray in production.
Interesting, I for one can't wait to see the new C7 when it comes to showrooms near us all. It's gonna be a big day for us Corvette enthusiasts!
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The dealerships I know usually call me for information about whats going on in the Corvette world ...

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoBert
However, Chevy has really watered-down some venerable names like Impala and Malibu by applying them to four-door family sedans. No panache there.
I guess you never knew that the Impala had 4 door iterations in their early years.
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The dealerships I know usually call me for information about whats going on in the Corvette world ...
that is good service!
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
I guess you never knew that the Impala had 4 door iterations in their early years.

Yup - it was first introduced in the 1958 model year (1959 shown above), and had a 4 door option right from the start. The Impala has been around ever since, except for '97, '98, and '99. The 10th generation version is coming out for 2014!



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