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Old 01-31-2013, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed32
That is a possibility. But also Feb/March Road and Track mentions the same about the weight. I am not wasting my time quoting the whole thing but it's on page 47 if you want to read it. They basically say that GM "wishful thinking" was 3000 pounds but now they just want to match the Grand Sport weight (3311 pounds).

There is so much they can do at this point to make it lose more weight. I still like the car, I still think is going to be a hit. I am not too sure if it is an upgrade in terms of pure perfomance.
I never saw any actual GM information stating the "target weight" was 3,000 pounds. There was plenty of internet chatter, however, making 3,000 pounds the target weight. Again, we will know all the numbers when GM WANTS us to know, whipping yourself in to a frenzy over car magazine guesses will just shorten your life (but it will justify not buying a C7 even though you will be making a 100% decision based on 25% of the facts).

Jimmy

PS. Look at the MSRP guesses being thrown around by the various magazines, anywhere from "low" $50K all the way up to $59K. That's quite a spread.

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed32
I agree with you but I think the C6 is also 50/50 I am pretty sure. Even the C5 may be 50/50, the 50/50 it's been around in the Corvette DNA for some time already.
My 64 coupe weighs 3180 pounds(lighter then the C7) with a F/R weight distribution of 48/52(better then the C7). It also rides on real skinny tires(compared to the C7). C7 can't hold a candle to it through the corners. On paper, my 64 is the winner.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed32
I agree with you but I think the C6 is also 50/50 I am pretty sure. Even the C5 may be 50/50, the 50/50 it's been around in the Corvette DNA for some time already.
It's not. Both C5/C6 are a little front biased.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:09 PM
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All of the C6 LS3 cars I have seen at the track that are stock trap between 118-120mph. If the C7 makes 450hp and weighs 140lbs more then the Base C6 I would think they would trap around the same. The 7 speed is heavier then the 6speed, The supercar interior that everyone is raving about probably weighs more then the C6 interior, the Wheels are bigger and probably weigh more then C6, the brakes are bigger and probably weigh more. anybody seen the exhaust system layout? If it is true that you cant tune the CPU then that will hurt sales insanely. If you cant get the car tuned to pass inspection or to take full advantage of a aftermarket part then whats the point of moding the car? I know a lot of people keep there Vettes stock but a lot of us do intake and exhaust yet alone other crazy mods as well.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:09 PM
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I think the big win for C7 is the additional stiffness in the chassis.
57% stiffer is nothing to sneeze at. That should pay ride and handling dividends.

Of course, if the C6 still makes you giggle, and you're not going for lap records, why hurry to spend thousands more?

.Jinx
Old 01-31-2013, 01:11 PM
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It's not worth it to me, but I'm not coming to it with a standard coupe to standard coupe comparison. If one is coming to it from that perspective, I don't think it would be wise to make any decision until you have a chance to actually see and drive the C7. Simply not enough info upon which to decide.

Do that, and then make the call that fits you, and enjoy the ride either way.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed32
I agree with you but I think the C6 is also 50/50 I am pretty sure. Even the C5 may be 50/50, the 50/50 it's been around in the Corvette DNA for some time already.
Originally Posted by Kappa
It's not. Both C5/C6 are a little front biased.
it is 51% in Front / 49% in rear

http://www.c6registry.com/january04/...ifications.htm
Old 01-31-2013, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slow-v6
All of the C6 LS3 cars I have seen at the track that are stock trap between 118-120mph.
Please show me these 118-120mph stock LS3's.

If it is true that you cant tune the CPU then that will hurt sales insanely. If you cant get the car tuned to pass inspection or to take full advantage of a aftermarket part then whats the point of moding the car? I know a lot of people keep there Vettes stock but a lot of us do intake and exhaust yet alone other crazy mods as well.
No it won't. Not in the least bit. You are talking about maybe 5% of Corvette owners. Get real.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:23 PM
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But if GM doesn't sell a lot of C7s to current C6 owners, who could they possibly sell them to....... wait........
Old 01-31-2013, 01:25 PM
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You mean 430 to 450+? I don't know. How many people made a huge deal out of 400 to 430?
Old 01-31-2013, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
My 64 coupe weighs 3180 pounds(lighter then the C7) with a F/R weight distribution of 48/52(better then the C7). It also rides on real skinny tires(compared to the C7). C7 can't hold a candle to it through the corners. On paper, my 64 is the winner.
You need to put the crack pipe down!

C2s are are beautifull cars to look at but jack *** carts when rolling compared to anything late model.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:29 PM
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I think Joe was being facetious.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed32
I agree with you but I think the C6 is also 50/50 I am pretty sure. Even the C5 may be 50/50, the 50/50 it's been around in the Corvette DNA for some time already.
In the new Car & Driver March issue on page 42 Tadge Juechter comments Quote "We're actually better than 50/50, we're a little rear biased, getting closer to the race car's 48/52 front-rear balance."
That is huge. The C7 will accelerate and handle much better by sheer virtue of the optimum front to rear ratio. I noticed the Ferrari F12 is also 48/52. That has to be the magic ratio for a front mid engined configuration.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by drmustang
You need to put the crack pipe down!

C2s are are beautifull cars to look at but jack *** carts when rolling compared to anything late model.
That was his point, entirely. You have to drive the car to judge it. You can't go by the information on paper.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:30 PM
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After all this time, are people unable to see and read that the HP is estimated? Its NOT set in stone! There is more to a car then just the HP. I want more then 450 as well, but the car has been thoroughly upgraded. 450hp wont stop me from getting a C7.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:35 PM
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Tadge said that the torque will be stronger at lower RPM's on the LT1 compared to the LS3.
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Originally Posted by OnPoint
I think Joe was being facetious.
I sure hope so

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by george vee
Tadge said that the torque will be stronger at lower RPM's on the LT1 compared to the LS3.
The LS3 isn't even close to the LT1 down low. And probably won't be higher in the rev range once everything is said and done.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:56 PM
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Some C6 guys still hoping the C7 is gonna be a yawner.........LOL
Old 01-31-2013, 01:58 PM
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Whether it stays at 450 or is bumped to 470 or thereabouts would not change my mind-I'm still getting one. In either case it's more than my '05 and I've held off upgrading cars within the generation choosing instead to wait for the new style. I'm planning to keep the '05, so to get another C6 (unless a Z model) would be too similar to what I have to justify. I agree the final numbers are not yet cast in stone and in part could be a marketing move to keep selling the remaining C6's at other than fire sale pricing.


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