Charlie M

Not at all. I find my C6 with the traction control is much easer to drive with 436 hp than my C3 with 350 hp. Embrace the electronics. Even my daughters car is a mess to drive with the traction control turned off. Launch controls is neat on it though. But I can tell you if I had either car when I was 16-18 years old I would have destroyed them.

Charlie M

Mine is less than the SUV. I don't ask I just pay just incase it is a mistake.

RT2SJB

Did anyone find any "Official" HP information?

OJCrush08

Actually, Kerbeck has carried very little Z06 inventory starting in 2010 when the GS which copies the Z06 wide-body style was introduced. For example, my 2010 Z06 is one of only about 550 made in '10. As an aside, my '10, with only a Halltech intake, repeated tested on a continually calibrated race shop dyno at 473-475 SAE rearwheel.

Now, much, much more emission legal ponies...
Sorry, but the basis for your theory is incorrect.

RocketGuy3

So, you believe that a Michelin Pilot Super Sport ZP that is 285mm wide will have the same adhesion as a Michelin pilot Super Sport ZP that is 325mm wide, both being of identical design(compound, tread design, etc).[/QUOTE]
(replying to both of you)

No, that's not at all what I said... I said that ultimately all that matters is the frictional force that the tire provides on the road. Obviously contact patch/tire width is one of many factors that influence that frictional force, but if the tire compound is improved enough and chassis is improved, etc, then a size of 285 on the C7 may be as good as (or better than) certain wider tires on the C6. That's certainly what GM is claiming is the case.

Obviously, though, with all else being equal, a tire with a 325 mm width will typically have better grip than a tire with a 285 mm width. I never denied that.


Where did you get those numbers from? Are those the numbers for the C6 that you're assuming will carry over? Modern transmissions I'm aware of don't typically have that significant of a difference in drivetrain losses.

DRC

Sorry, since I'm from Jersey that makes my theory basis correct, even though my result may be wrong.

Enjoy your Z06!

Kappa

I've heard many a great review on this site.

Never said that and I don't think that's what GM was aiming for. I was comparing the PSS to other 325 tires that appeared on the C6 ie F1 and PS2. I believe that they were aiming to match or beat the performance of those setups with skinnier tires. Should be achievable IMO.

Bill17601

I have a Dyno tuned stock LS3 in my C5. The rear wheel HP was 401. There is a lot to be said about the net compared to the gross. The real test is when you stick your foot down on the loud pedal.

CPhelps

They mean that the car is rwd, not that power is measured at the wheels. GM will use SAE ratings at the crank. Most of those things are written for the general public that doesn't know about chassis dynos.

sam90lx

[QUOTE=Kappa;1583066311]I've heard many a great review on this site.




Pilot SS's kick ***! Pulled my GY's off at 11k miles....wish I would have done it sooner.

Props to GM for the tire switch.

Aozora

It's not really up for interpretation. The way it is written implies that the car makes 450 rwhp. In other words 450 hp to the rear wheels.

Whether they are right or wrong remains to be seen.

sam90lx

Their wrong! The big 3 as well as most rate hp and tq to the crank/flywheel, not to the wheels.

The C6 Z06 is rated at 505, not to the wheels though.

Bill17601

An interesting observation. The only problem is no car company gives their rear wheel horsepower. Never did. There are to many variables. Transmission loss, losses from power steering, air conditioning demand from the charging system etc. that would be historically not so much currently. Why would you expect GM to do what no other manufacture has ever one? Not even the exotic world does that. I may have missed a brand and if I did please correct me and. give me your source.

Thanks

JoesC5

Any engine driven accessories such as the water pump, the alternator, the power steering pump and the A/C compressor are mounted on the engine, and functioning when the pull is done. The horsepower at the flywheel takes in the loads those items place on the engine. The driveline is not connected to the engine for the dyno pull to see what the bhp is of the engine.

speedlink

Guys, everyone take a deep breath. There are no official #'s yet.

Let's see what the future holds. GM's statement's have been 450HP at least. We can all speculate what that means. We will find out soon enough.

455230

It isnt up for interpretation....No oem rates engine power at the wheels...."to the wheels" isnt the same as "at the wheels".

It isnt 450 rwhp.

Aozora

This was not from me, or any "source" or even from GM that I know of, it was posted on the Chicago auto show website."

Aozora

Wait, but isn't the c7 an "enemy of the same"?

gs_M6

Woot Woot for real next month? Been drinkin so my posts will be less contributive than usual

Tommy D

I would hope that GM has low balled the numbers so that we can all be pleasantly surprised when the offical numbers come out