Somethings not right in this interior pic -
03-22-2013, 08:56 PM
#41
As a track guy, I agree with the other poster that there is no way I'd be fiddling with this during a lap session. That said, use of the paddles makes more sense than a dash mounted switch. I would hope at least that there is an obvious indicator lamp on the tach that the feature is engaged. Remains to be seen if it is a gimmick or a really cool thing. If the latter, I will have to re-train my right foot...
03-22-2013, 09:49 PM
#44
You don't need to play with it while driving. It's either on or off. I'm sure since you track a lot you know what the rev matching feature does. You don't need to blip the throttle when down or up shifting. the computer will do it for you. It saves the need for heel and tow. But if you are very proficient and like to heel and tow then turn it off.
03-23-2013, 03:11 PM
#45
Melting Slicks
Exactly my point earlier (rev matching not required for upshifts), unless this system uses the same type of electronic engine control for shifting as with a sequential manual transmission where the torque is briefly interrupted.
03-24-2013, 02:49 AM
#48
I also suspect that they are used as a cost savings measure. I also track quite a bit, and I think I would really like the rev matching feature, but I'm not sure I want it so easily accessible. Seems like a button near the gear shift like on a 370Z would make more sense. However, I am not strongly troubled by their current position, so I'm willing to see how it works out before getting totally upset.
As far as rev matching during upshifts, it might be very nice because it could let you power shift without hitting the rev limiter and/or abusing the clutch. I think it could have a great effect on the smoothness during hard acceleration, and would let you keep your foot planted during upshifts. I think that part of the feature is actually quite cool.
-T
03-24-2013, 03:15 AM
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Areed on the size of the hub (too big) but that has nothing to do with the paddles. I think that's why the question about serious VS trolling comes in. If GM wanted, you could have a small hub with the same paddles, so linking them in your argument doesn't make sense to me.
I also suspect that they are used as a cost savings measure. I also track quite a bit, and I think I would really like the rev matching feature, but I'm not sure I want it so easily accessible. Seems like a button near the gear shift like on a 370Z would make more sense. However, I am not strongly troubled by their current position, so I'm willing to see how it works out before getting totally upset.
As far as rev matching during upshifts, it might be very nice because it could let you power shift without hitting the rev limiter and/or abusing the clutch. I think it could have a great effect on the smoothness during hard acceleration, and would let you keep your foot planted during upshifts. I think that part of the feature is actually quite cool.
-T
I also suspect that they are used as a cost savings measure. I also track quite a bit, and I think I would really like the rev matching feature, but I'm not sure I want it so easily accessible. Seems like a button near the gear shift like on a 370Z would make more sense. However, I am not strongly troubled by their current position, so I'm willing to see how it works out before getting totally upset.
As far as rev matching during upshifts, it might be very nice because it could let you power shift without hitting the rev limiter and/or abusing the clutch. I think it could have a great effect on the smoothness during hard acceleration, and would let you keep your foot planted during upshifts. I think that part of the feature is actually quite cool.
-T
03-24-2013, 03:33 AM
#50
I understand on the nannies part.
For street driving I probably wouldn't use the rev matching because I like to throttle blip myself, and typically don't need to heel-toe because I'm not using the brakes when I do, just gradually slowing for a corner on a twisty road. I once test drove a 370Z with the rev-match feature, and had a very had time with it because I kept trying to throttle blip on my own, which would conflict with the car trying to do it. In the end I turned it off for the street.
On a track day I have a hard time heel-toeing in my Z, but that's partly because of the way the pedals are placed. I can heel-toe much better in my GTI, but don't care to take that to the track.
I've seen pedal photos of the C7, and it looks like it has decent placement and the throttle that pivots on the floor, so I think I could probably heel-toe OK, but I like that there's an option to have the car do it if you want. There are definitely times on the track where I would be OK taking a brake from it for a time. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
I do like that the Vette allows you to defeat all the nannies, except ABS, although sometimes I wish you could disable that, too.
-T
For street driving I probably wouldn't use the rev matching because I like to throttle blip myself, and typically don't need to heel-toe because I'm not using the brakes when I do, just gradually slowing for a corner on a twisty road. I once test drove a 370Z with the rev-match feature, and had a very had time with it because I kept trying to throttle blip on my own, which would conflict with the car trying to do it. In the end I turned it off for the street.
On a track day I have a hard time heel-toeing in my Z, but that's partly because of the way the pedals are placed. I can heel-toe much better in my GTI, but don't care to take that to the track.
I've seen pedal photos of the C7, and it looks like it has decent placement and the throttle that pivots on the floor, so I think I could probably heel-toe OK, but I like that there's an option to have the car do it if you want. There are definitely times on the track where I would be OK taking a brake from it for a time. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
I do like that the Vette allows you to defeat all the nannies, except ABS, although sometimes I wish you could disable that, too.
-T
03-24-2013, 03:39 AM
#51
C7 component sizes look comparable to a BMW wheel with DKG paddles.
Personally, I think it's more intuitive to have it paddle-activated rather than by a button on the console. I could easily imagine some people cycling back and forth depending on mood, traffic, etc. In general, there's been a confluence of putting fewer buttons on consoles (the point of iDrive in the first place, along with today's advanced touchscreens like CUE). And more controls on the steering wheel, evident from F1 to tech-crazy Ferrari roadcars to the paddle-shifting gaming consoles that people raised on Gran Turismo or NFS have been used to. No doubt some of these people are coming of age and are exactly the type of younger demographic GM would love to have. Besides, it adds to the "theater" of owning a sports car.
03-24-2013, 05:07 AM
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Why is the hub too big? Ugly is definitely subjective. I happen to like the look of the new wheel.
I'm sure that it wasn't yet stated by GM how those paddles will effectively work, so I'm not sure how you can complain about something you haven't fully understood yet. You can't say that both sides are on/off switches, that one has a function the other doesn't, or anything in-between. Since nobody knows yet how that system works, why would you complain about it and call it "retarded"?
The problem I think you have is that you speculate about something, repeat it over and over in your head, begin to believe it as fact, and then get mad at it, even though there's really nothing going on in the first place.
My advice is for you to stop getting mad and defensive about things (especially small things) that you don't have all the facts for. I've watched you complain about weight, power, suspension, functionality, etc... and NONE of it has actual hard facts yet. You're going give yourself an ulcer about a car you're not even buying.
03-24-2013, 06:17 AM
#53
i personally love the new steering wheel. Yeah, the hub is big but the wheel is very small in diameter and it looks to be thick and meaty from a grip perspective. I like that 
03-24-2013, 11:16 AM
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K... So...
Why is the hub too big? Ugly is definitely subjective. I happen to like the look of the new wheel.
I'm sure that it wasn't yet stated by GM how those paddles will effectively work, so I'm not sure how you can complain about something you haven't fully understood yet. You can't say that both sides are on/off switches, that one has a function the other doesn't, or anything in-between. Since nobody knows yet how that system works, why would you complain about it and call it "retarded"?
The problem I think you have is that you speculate about something, repeat it over and over in your head, begin to believe it as fact, and then get mad at it, even though there's really nothing going on in the first place.
My advice is for you to stop getting mad and defensive about things (especially small things) that you don't have all the facts for. I've watched you complain about weight, power, suspension, functionality, etc... and NONE of it has actual hard facts yet. You're going give yourself an ulcer about a car you're not even buying.
Why is the hub too big? Ugly is definitely subjective. I happen to like the look of the new wheel.
I'm sure that it wasn't yet stated by GM how those paddles will effectively work, so I'm not sure how you can complain about something you haven't fully understood yet. You can't say that both sides are on/off switches, that one has a function the other doesn't, or anything in-between. Since nobody knows yet how that system works, why would you complain about it and call it "retarded"?
The problem I think you have is that you speculate about something, repeat it over and over in your head, begin to believe it as fact, and then get mad at it, even though there's really nothing going on in the first place.
My advice is for you to stop getting mad and defensive about things (especially small things) that you don't have all the facts for. I've watched you complain about weight, power, suspension, functionality, etc... and NONE of it has actual hard facts yet. You're going give yourself an ulcer about a car you're not even buying.
03-24-2013, 11:29 AM
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LOL - people are people and they'll do what they want and that's almost OK.
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03-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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It would look odd to have only 1. Lefties could use the left and vice versa. Having two different sizes, one for manuals and another for automatics, would be cost-ineffective. As for the size of the paddles and the airbag, the C7's don't appear to be any larger than that of something like the 458 Italia (which has very long paddles).
C7 component sizes look comparable to a BMW wheel with DKG paddles.
Personally, I think it's more intuitive to have it paddle-activated rather than by a button on the console. I could easily imagine some people cycling back and forth depending on mood, traffic, etc. In general, there's been a confluence of putting fewer buttons on consoles (the point of iDrive in the first place, along with today's advanced touchscreens like CUE). And more controls on the steering wheel, evident from F1 to tech-crazy Ferrari roadcars to the paddle-shifting gaming consoles that people raised on Gran Turismo or NFS have been used to. No doubt some of these people are coming of age and are exactly the type of younger demographic GM would love to have. Besides, it adds to the "theater" of owning a sports car.
C7 component sizes look comparable to a BMW wheel with DKG paddles.
Personally, I think it's more intuitive to have it paddle-activated rather than by a button on the console. I could easily imagine some people cycling back and forth depending on mood, traffic, etc. In general, there's been a confluence of putting fewer buttons on consoles (the point of iDrive in the first place, along with today's advanced touchscreens like CUE). And more controls on the steering wheel, evident from F1 to tech-crazy Ferrari roadcars to the paddle-shifting gaming consoles that people raised on Gran Turismo or NFS have been used to. No doubt some of these people are coming of age and are exactly the type of younger demographic GM would love to have. Besides, it adds to the "theater" of owning a sports car.
03-24-2013, 12:50 PM
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If you don't want any of this stuff normal people like and want on their cars, sell all those peices of junk you say you own and buy one of these...
03-24-2013, 01:24 PM
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Right, it's a sports car, not a race car. These cars will spend 95% of their time as daily comuters, long distance cruisers, show and shines, and just fun to drive around town cars. People like stuff, gadgets and accessories on their cars. The Corvette or even the Ferrari, even the McLaren for that matter are no different.
If you don't want any of this stuff normal people like and want on their cars, sell all those peices of junk you say you own and buy one of these...
If you don't want any of this stuff normal people like and want on their cars, sell all those peices of junk you say you own and buy one of these...
