A poll-should Tadge remain Corvette CE?
03-26-2013, 01:22 AM
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Seriously we need to start appreciating the car for what it is. Just like nobody is perfect...no car is perfect either. Its a freaking beautiful car with tech the. vette has not seen yet. . theres a time for everything oGeez maybe one day it will come with all wheel drive but today is not the day!
03-26-2013, 01:23 AM
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It may very well turn out in the history books down the road, that the enthusiasm of Juechter for the Corvette might be the very reason there still is a Corvette. Why don't we just them build a few and let the reviews and drives come in, and see where we stand? Those calling for his head because they don't like the tail lights might be calling for a bronze statue of him this time next year.
03-26-2013, 01:23 AM
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Drifting
AWD sucks after the first 1/4 mile from a Dig.
From a rolling start onward though it's a total joke.
There's a reason the GTR never showed up in ALMS and that's because AWD is terrible for road racing.
As far as DCT goes, meh. We'll have to see what the rev matching on the C7 is like.
And as far as Tadge is concerned, frankly I think he's abit more qualified where he is, vs say certain people in this forum.
427 do you have any idea what kind of engineering has to go into a car to make it AWD? It would not be the least bit cost effective in any sense of the word to add AWD to a RWD platform. A car with AWD has to be designed for it from the ground up, and even then all it does is add tons of un needed weight around a track.
From a rolling start onward though it's a total joke.
There's a reason the GTR never showed up in ALMS and that's because AWD is terrible for road racing.
As far as DCT goes, meh. We'll have to see what the rev matching on the C7 is like.
And as far as Tadge is concerned, frankly I think he's abit more qualified where he is, vs say certain people in this forum.
427 do you have any idea what kind of engineering has to go into a car to make it AWD? It would not be the least bit cost effective in any sense of the word to add AWD to a RWD platform. A car with AWD has to be designed for it from the ground up, and even then all it does is add tons of un needed weight around a track.
Electronic system front to rear
Electronic system left to right like the new E-diff and you will have the most awesome sports car ever made.
03-26-2013, 01:27 AM
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Drifting
+1
This notion that the GT-R is the end all/be all is tiresome. The car is like a video game....all promise and NO reality. If the GT-R was all that (and the MODEL for what the C7 should be), it (the GT-R) would have actually SOLD at some level that was important. The fact that it (The GR-R) has never SNIFFED the sales level of the 911/Corvette shows that folks, at least in this case, are NOT what PT Barnum thought. For goodness sakes, Ferrari sells 3 times as many 458's at 2.5+ times the price of the GT-R proves my point.
Jimmy
This notion that the GT-R is the end all/be all is tiresome. The car is like a video game....all promise and NO reality. If the GT-R was all that (and the MODEL for what the C7 should be), it (the GT-R) would have actually SOLD at some level that was important. The fact that it (The GR-R) has never SNIFFED the sales level of the 911/Corvette shows that folks, at least in this case, are NOT what PT Barnum thought. For goodness sakes, Ferrari sells 3 times as many 458's at 2.5+ times the price of the GT-R proves my point.
Jimmy
03-26-2013, 01:28 AM
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03-26-2013, 02:22 AM
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Add no value... stir the pot... repeat...
I'm starting to think this guy is paid by CF to keep activity high and keep discussions going because if he isn't I don't understand how he has n't been suspended/banned yet.
Yet another silly thread to further a personal agenda...
I'm starting to think this guy is paid by CF to keep activity high and keep discussions going because if he isn't I don't understand how he has n't been suspended/banned yet.
Yet another silly thread to further a personal agenda...
I'm sure if we can all agree to ignore him, he'll eventually shut up.
03-26-2013, 03:37 AM
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Seriously? This is dumb. This thread is dumb. The question itself has no bearing on Chevy, the Corvette, or anything else for that matter other than wasting space on the internet.
Peter, you can 427 can go grab your pitch fork and torch and rally. But you'll be the only two and mostly because neither of you two seem to understand what the Corvette is about.
Go home, Peter. You're drunk.
Oh, and will you take Peter home? He's going to need a ride.
Peter, you can 427 can go grab your pitch fork and torch and rally. But you'll be the only two and mostly because neither of you two seem to understand what the Corvette is about.
Well, this is the absolutely DUMBEST non poll in the history of CF. First, there's NO poll, Second, it is started by folks that have NO clue what was the goal for the C7, and THIRD....well, it's just stupid. This weird love of AWD which ONLY gets you a quick 0 - 60 time but still gets slapped in a true road course time is just silly. There are ZERO track tests where a GT-R is quicker around a road course than a Z06/ZR1....NONE. AWD and DCT give you NUMBERS in a STRAIGHT LINE, PERIOD. I am SICK of this notion that the GT-R is this great track beast, it IS a really good STRAIGHT line car, which gets slaughtered when it's weight/understeer do it in when a true TRACK test is involved. To say that Tadge is/was the wrong guy shows how little you know about car design/engineering.
Jimmy
Jimmy
Oh, and will you take Peter home? He's going to need a ride.
03-26-2013, 03:53 AM
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Well, this is the absolutely DUMBEST non poll in the history of CF. First, there's NO poll, Second, it is started by folks that have NO clue what was the goal for the C7, and THIRD....well, it's just stupid. This weird love of AWD which ONLY gets you a quick 0 - 60 time but still gets slapped in a true road course time is just silly. There are ZERO track tests where a GT-R is quicker around a road course than a Z06/ZR1....NONE. AWD and DCT give you NUMBERS in a STRAIGHT LINE, PERIOD. I am SICK of this notion that the GT-R is this great track beast, it IS a really good STRAIGHT line car, which gets slaughtered when it's weight/understeer do it in when a true TRACK test is involved. To say that Tadge is/was the wrong guy shows how little you know about car design/engineering.
Jimmy
Jimmy
03-26-2013, 06:00 AM
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...level-supercar
.. no doubt those Brit Boffins will have it come in at under 50K and show those GM flunkies how its done.. so with its Carbon tub and rocket ship engineering.. you will
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03-26-2013, 06:17 AM
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I'll take an AR C4..... let the pictures do the talkin'..... (I doubt if GM could muster up as cool a video either..... I think the bigger problem of who is in charge is in the pandering to people like retired Air Force Top Guns.... we're on the GROUND fellas.... we're ON THE GROUND!!!
sexy becomes brash when it turns to Vegas pole dancing. We need our Corvette sports car back. Not a Tim Burton version of one.
03-26-2013, 06:19 AM
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Too bad you didn't get in on this sold out AWD auto tranny winner
(Although the Lambo Aventador on which its based does not have DCT.. so maybe only 1/2 winner)....
03-26-2013, 06:32 AM
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03-26-2013, 06:41 AM
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What a thread to wake up to on a tuesday morning. Personally, I think/hope tadge did the best he could with what he had to work with, and once again, WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS YET!!!
Petermj, not directed at you right now, believe it or not
As far as calling the C7 a complete failure before it even came out or we even know the numbers yet, its completely ridiculous. We don't even know what the specs are yet for the BASE car, and we know nothing at all about a high performance variant. 427, you want the options for DCT and AWD? All the options haven't been put on the table for us YET, wait for other models! Calling the C7 a failure this early is just ridiculous.
BTW, like others have said, AWD adds a lot of weight and eats up top end in many cases. If all you want is 0-60 times, then okay. The DCT makes more sense, and I think that will probably be an option in the future. Don't count on AWD so much.
Petermj, not directed at you right now, believe it or not
As far as calling the C7 a complete failure before it even came out or we even know the numbers yet, its completely ridiculous. We don't even know what the specs are yet for the BASE car, and we know nothing at all about a high performance variant. 427, you want the options for DCT and AWD? All the options haven't been put on the table for us YET, wait for other models! Calling the C7 a failure this early is just ridiculous.
BTW, like others have said, AWD adds a lot of weight and eats up top end in many cases. If all you want is 0-60 times, then okay. The DCT makes more sense, and I think that will probably be an option in the future. Don't count on AWD so much.
03-26-2013, 06:53 AM
#56
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Ignorant thread!!
Given budget constraints, I don't see any other manufacturer creating the same car without it costing 10's of thousands more. GM is giving us one of the finest sports cars in the world for a starting price less than $60K!! This is an unbelievable accomplishment!!!
Given budget constraints, I don't see any other manufacturer creating the same car without it costing 10's of thousands more. GM is giving us one of the finest sports cars in the world for a starting price less than $60K!! This is an unbelievable accomplishment!!!
Everyone is forgetting that GM was on Life Support and called Government Motors and didn't have the $$$ when the C7 was being conceived to do what some wanted. 
03-26-2013, 07:45 AM
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Well, this is the absolutely DUMBEST non poll in the history of CF. First, there's NO poll, Second, it is started by folks that have NO clue what was the goal for the C7, and THIRD....well, it's just stupid. This weird love of AWD which ONLY gets you a quick 0 - 60 time but still gets slapped in a true road course time is just silly. There are ZERO track tests where a GT-R is quicker around a road course than a Z06/ZR1....NONE. AWD and DCT give you NUMBERS in a STRAIGHT LINE, PERIOD. I am SICK of this notion that the GT-R is this great track beast, it IS a really good STRAIGHT line car, which gets slaughtered when it's weight/understeer do it in when a true TRACK test is involved. To say that Tadge is/was the wrong guy shows how little you know about car design/engineering.
Jimmy
Jimmy
Take a look at Car and Driver lap times 2012. GTR and ZR1 at VIR. ZR1 wins by 3 seconds (pretty damn good).
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...3-class-page-5
03-26-2013, 07:48 AM
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