What would you like in the C7 Z06?
04-30-2013, 12:52 AM
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It's already starting with an Al chassis, a CF hood/roof, and many composite components. That's most of the current Z06's weight savings. Adding bigger brakes/wheels/tires and dry sump while carving out much weight is just unrealistic.
04-30-2013, 12:58 AM
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04-30-2013, 01:14 AM
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I think it would be fun to imagine what GM will offer in the C7 Z06. What would you like them to add/subtract? Here are my thoughts:
1. AFM Delete
2. Go back to Auminum Torque Tube
3. Lighter headers
4. Fixed Roof
5. Make an LS7 version of the LT1:
5a. Increase displacement
5b. Tune for power at high RPM rather than FE
5c. All the other cool junk in the LS7 that lets it REV
Clearly I'm going for a normally aspirated engine here.
I'm thinking the following specs:
550 HP
3100-3200 lbs
Any thoughts/dreams/fantasies?
-T
1. AFM Delete
2. Go back to Auminum Torque Tube
3. Lighter headers
4. Fixed Roof
5. Make an LS7 version of the LT1:
5a. Increase displacement
5b. Tune for power at high RPM rather than FE
5c. All the other cool junk in the LS7 that lets it REV
Clearly I'm going for a normally aspirated engine here.
I'm thinking the following specs:
550 HP
3100-3200 lbs
Any thoughts/dreams/fantasies?
-T
04-30-2013, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jschindler
It can't be. You cannot get over 600 hp in a naturally aspirated pushrod engine of anywhere near the displacement that GM has available.
I don't now which is correct? But since you call the OP out as asinine, you must be correct. Can you please cite examples of 600hp or above, 8 cylinder, sub 400 cu in, naturally aspirated, push-rod engines currently in cars? Thanks kindly
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04-30-2013, 08:39 AM
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04-30-2013, 05:18 PM
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Don't screw this up GM!!! The C6 427 Vert was a huge success and you only offered it the last year. Don't screw us again!! Give us the Vert Z06 version as soon as the hard top version comes.
04-30-2013, 05:25 PM
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My biggest fear with the C7 Z06 is that they try to go FI on the motor. Keep the LS7 but fix the valves and give it DI. FI will be a deal-killer for me.
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04-30-2013, 05:46 PM
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- 7.0 Liter 427 NA only engine
- Competition seats
- New rear end design
- 3050 lb.
- 600HP
- New rear end design
- Wide body
- 345 rear tires
- Fixed roof
- New rear end design
- Carbon Fiber splitters
- Carbon Ceramic Rotors standard
- Full Coil overs
- Removable Harness Bar
- New rear end design
- Two tip exhaust
- Some real aluminum detailing in interior
- Body colored or black vents/scoops no Carbon flash paint on any part of the car.
- and finally a new rear end design
- Competition seats
- New rear end design
- 3050 lb.
- 600HP
- New rear end design
- Wide body
- 345 rear tires
- Fixed roof
- New rear end design
- Carbon Fiber splitters
- Carbon Ceramic Rotors standard
- Full Coil overs
- Removable Harness Bar
- New rear end design
- Two tip exhaust
- Some real aluminum detailing in interior
- Body colored or black vents/scoops no Carbon flash paint on any part of the car.
- and finally a new rear end design
Where is the Z06 going to remove weight from at this point?
04-30-2013, 05:49 PM
#92
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20% more rigid chassis while allowing for a targa panel.
Manual or optional DCT.
Widebody kit with accomodating wheels and brakes.
No LT motor with 427ci, completely forged bottom end and better flowing heads.
Getrag transmission with no overdrive as 6th gear.
-Alex
Manual or optional DCT.
Widebody kit with accomodating wheels and brakes.
No LT motor with 427ci, completely forged bottom end and better flowing heads.
Getrag transmission with no overdrive as 6th gear.
-Alex
04-30-2013, 07:22 PM
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04-30-2013, 08:41 PM
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20% more rigid chassis while allowing for a targa panel.
Manual or optional DCT.
Widebody kit with accomodating wheels and brakes.
No LT motor with 427ci, completely forged bottom end and better flowing heads.
Getrag transmission with no overdrive as 6th gear.
-Alex
Manual or optional DCT.
Widebody kit with accomodating wheels and brakes.
No LT motor with 427ci, completely forged bottom end and better flowing heads.
Getrag transmission with no overdrive as 6th gear.
-Alex
05-01-2013, 06:39 AM
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Needs to have:
Should have:
The Z06 doesn't need more power. It needs to make better use of the power it already has. Getting 500hp down to 2 rear wheels with a crap manual shifter means this car is only enjoyed by true experts. If it wants to compete with the big boys (GT-R, 911 GT3/Turbo, R8 V10, 458, Gallardo, etc) it either needs a SIGNIFICANT suspension re-working (not going to happen) or they need to let a dual-clutch transmission and AWD get that power to the ground.
My Nissan GT-R would absolutely smoke my '08 Z06 everywhere. It's also a much easier car to live with day-to-day, gets all that power down to the ground time-after-time 24/7/365 days of the year, and has much higher standards of fit-and-finish. The C7 will take care of a lot of my Z06 complaints, but if they want the C7 Z06 to really take on these cars, they have to get beyond the thinking that you can keep slapping wider and wider tires on the back end of the car and keep pushing the HP up to ridiculous numbers. This worked for the past two generations of Corvettes but it's a new world.
I'd love for the Z06 to lure me back to the world of Corvettes but this car is going to have to be effing phenomenal to get me out of my GT-R.
Just my .02
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Should have:
- All-Wheel Drive
- No more 1LZ, 2LZ, 3LZ. Make two cars - one with all options and one that is stripped-down racer
- carbon fiber hood, roof, no BS opaque roofs
The Z06 doesn't need more power. It needs to make better use of the power it already has. Getting 500hp down to 2 rear wheels with a crap manual shifter means this car is only enjoyed by true experts. If it wants to compete with the big boys (GT-R, 911 GT3/Turbo, R8 V10, 458, Gallardo, etc) it either needs a SIGNIFICANT suspension re-working (not going to happen) or they need to let a dual-clutch transmission and AWD get that power to the ground.
My Nissan GT-R would absolutely smoke my '08 Z06 everywhere. It's also a much easier car to live with day-to-day, gets all that power down to the ground time-after-time 24/7/365 days of the year, and has much higher standards of fit-and-finish. The C7 will take care of a lot of my Z06 complaints, but if they want the C7 Z06 to really take on these cars, they have to get beyond the thinking that you can keep slapping wider and wider tires on the back end of the car and keep pushing the HP up to ridiculous numbers. This worked for the past two generations of Corvettes but it's a new world.
I'd love for the Z06 to lure me back to the world of Corvettes but this car is going to have to be effing phenomenal to get me out of my GT-R.
Just my .02
05-01-2013, 10:30 AM
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I understand that a DCT shifts faster and more reliably than most humans. Please explain how it gets that "power to the ground" better than a manual transmission? How does it improve forward traction?