455 Is Correct, As Is 460 TQ
05-24-2013, 06:56 PM
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05-24-2013, 07:01 PM
#162
Melting Slicks
It matters plenty for economy and feel during regular driving, as that means more power in the lower RPMs. But in all out racing Peak power is a better determination for acceleration. Yea, I know about area under the curve, but in racing you don't accelerate from 1500rpm to 6500. You use the 4500-6500 range where the difference in average power will not be that much b/t a peaky motor and a broader curve motor.
05-24-2013, 07:06 PM
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455 and 460 may not sound like huge increases, and I guess they're not, but consider that many of us will be stepping up from pre-2008 models which had 400 hp, 400 torque.
I have to believe that the extra 50-60 hp/torque will be 'feelable' in the seat of the pants area. I consider it 'enough' of an increase, and will probably more so when I drive one. In a few years.
TomZ
I have to believe that the extra 50-60 hp/torque will be 'feelable' in the seat of the pants area. I consider it 'enough' of an increase, and will probably more so when I drive one. In a few years.
TomZ
05-24-2013, 07:11 PM
#164
Race Director
The base C7 is a very good looking car with damn good numbers. As good as anything in that price range. I have not sat in the car, but I bet the interior is a big, big step forward. Did anybody with a lick of car sense really think that the base car was going to run with the real super cars on the track? I mean Audi R8, Ferrari 458, Porsche GT3, Nissan GTR? Really? Come on let's get real. The C7 is a great car as it is now. GM knows that to run with the real big dogs a $60,000 car was not the answer. Let's wait till the Z06 and then we can start wringing our hands about real track numbers.
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
05-24-2013, 07:21 PM
#165
It matters plenty for economy and feel during regular driving, as that means more power in the lower RPMs. But in all out racing Peak power is a better determination for acceleration. Yea, I know about area under the curve, but in racing you don't accelerate from 1500rpm to 6500. You use the 4500-6500 range where the difference in average power will not be that much b/t a peaky motor and a broader curve motor.
This engine will be better for everyone in all applications. Great low end for around town, while retaining great power in high rpm situations. I can't see how this could be bad in a track application?
05-24-2013, 07:21 PM
#166
I agree except that you left the Z06 out of the supercars. It beat all of them. The guys on the C7 Base / Z51 bandwagon are obsessed with the C6Z06 because they are weighing the new car thing against the performance value. The purchase of a Vette is a big deal financially for most here and the money has to count. It is very hard to justify spending $65,000 on a new, slower C7 when there is a slew of $55,000 used Z06s out there with 7K miles on the clock. So you try to convince yourself that the C7 will magically be as fast as a Z06. And of course, the C7 marketing team is only too happy to help convince buyers of same.
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
05-24-2013, 07:25 PM
#167
Race Director
- I already have one! 
05-24-2013, 07:28 PM
#168
Melting Slicks
I'm in agreement that increased torque matters, but do not agree that's all that matters.
05-24-2013, 07:39 PM
#169
Drifting
My bad
I agree except that you left the Z06 out of the supercars. It beat all of them. The guys on the C7 Base / Z51 bandwagon are obsessed with the C6Z06 because they are weighing the new car thing against the performance value. The purchase of a Vette is a big deal financially for most here and the money has to count. It is very hard to justify spending $65,000 on a new, slower C7 when there is a slew of $55,000 used Z06s out there with 7K miles on the clock. So you try to convince yourself that the C7 will magically be as fast as a Z06. And of course, the C7 marketing team is only too happy to help convince buyers of same.
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
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Then you get a ZL-1 loaner! 
05-24-2013, 07:48 PM
#171
I agree except that you left the Z06 out of the supercars. It beat all of them. The guys on the C7 Base / Z51 bandwagon are obsessed with the C6Z06 because they are weighing the new car thing against the performance value. The purchase of a Vette is a big deal financially for most here and the money has to count. It is very hard to justify spending $65,000 on a new, slower C7 when there is a slew of $55,000 used Z06s out there with 7K miles on the clock. So you try to convince yourself that the C7 will magically be as fast as a Z06. And of course, the C7 marketing team is only too happy to help convince buyers of same.
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
I have always said it: the biggest competitor to the C7 is all the C6s out there...
I fall in the other, majority category. I don't care if the C6Z beats the C7 even by a half-second in the quarter mile, I'd rather have the C7 so that it's exterior does not like yesterday's news, even if it costs more than a C6Z.
05-24-2013, 07:52 PM
#172
Race Director
Almost no one here uses any of this performance so it is bragging rights only. I would spend the money on the C7 for all of the OTHER benefits it has over the Z06 even if performs (should have said even when it performs) at a lower level. The only place I will see a difference is the 12 or so times a year I get to the track... and even then it will be close enough for me... so the other items become more important. Bragging rights for me are less relevant as are stop light races.
There is no question the new car will be better in every other way, however, and I will definitely be test driving one to see what the performance is before I cross it off. It would be nice if it did deliver Z06 performance. If not, no problem. That is what the C7 Z06 or whatever it's called, will be about.
05-24-2013, 07:56 PM
#173
Le Mans Master
05-24-2013, 07:57 PM
#174
Race Director
To each his own. I'm all about the performance. I'm not going to be very happy if I have to look at the tailllights of yesterday's news while driving today's news... Especially when "yesterday's news" looks like Crossofiron's pic... beautiful car.
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05-24-2013, 08:03 PM
#175
A truly well rounded sports car is so much more than High Power Figures. I appreciate anything approaching 400 or more.
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05-24-2013, 08:10 PM
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I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed and I question if anybody who says that they are not also a bit bummed are really being truthful.
A prior post mentioned that the C6 was all about more performance while the C7 is about a nicer interior and a fresh shape. I had a bad feeling in just the way the car is being marketed that Corvette may be moving in a different direction from the later years of the Z06. Look at the Corvette Z06 on the current web page. Pictures are all race related. The colors that they are choosing to show the car are not really what a race fan would aspire to. Green at the Texas showing? Not saying green is a bad color, just not what I would expect. Has there been a black car shown? How about black rims? I have only seen chrome or aluminum. These just means that I will have to save up some more money and get the Z06. I guess that the good news is if somebody wants a badass C6 Z06/Z07 with a LS 7, my car will be worth more money in 2 years.
A prior post mentioned that the C6 was all about more performance while the C7 is about a nicer interior and a fresh shape. I had a bad feeling in just the way the car is being marketed that Corvette may be moving in a different direction from the later years of the Z06. Look at the Corvette Z06 on the current web page. Pictures are all race related. The colors that they are choosing to show the car are not really what a race fan would aspire to. Green at the Texas showing? Not saying green is a bad color, just not what I would expect. Has there been a black car shown? How about black rims? I have only seen chrome or aluminum. These just means that I will have to save up some more money and get the Z06. I guess that the good news is if somebody wants a badass C6 Z06/Z07 with a LS 7, my car will be worth more money in 2 years.
05-24-2013, 08:20 PM
#177
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I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed and I question if anybody who says that they are not also a bit bummed are really being truthful.
A prior post mentioned that the C6 was all about more performance while the C7 is about a nicer interior and a fresh shape. I had a bad feeling in just the way the car is being marketed that Corvette may be moving in a different direction from the later years of the Z06. Look at the Corvette Z06 on the current web page. Pictures are all race related. The colors that they are choosing to show the car are not really what a race fan would aspire to. Green at the Texas showing? Not saying green is a bad color, just not what I would expect. Has there been a black car shown? How about black rims? I have only seen chrome or aluminum. These just means that I will have to save up some more money and get the Z06. I guess that the good news is if somebody wants a badass C6 Z06/Z07 with a LS 7, my car will be worth more money in 2 years.
A prior post mentioned that the C6 was all about more performance while the C7 is about a nicer interior and a fresh shape. I had a bad feeling in just the way the car is being marketed that Corvette may be moving in a different direction from the later years of the Z06. Look at the Corvette Z06 on the current web page. Pictures are all race related. The colors that they are choosing to show the car are not really what a race fan would aspire to. Green at the Texas showing? Not saying green is a bad color, just not what I would expect. Has there been a black car shown? How about black rims? I have only seen chrome or aluminum. These just means that I will have to save up some more money and get the Z06. I guess that the good news is if somebody wants a badass C6 Z06/Z07 with a LS 7, my car will be worth more money in 2 years.
Too many people on this forum had expectations that were not realistic.
05-24-2013, 08:22 PM
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Why are so many people whining about the C7 not making as much hp the C6Z? Is it because the C6 base made almost as much hp as the C5Z when it was first introduced? Has anyone bothered to pull their head out of their rear and notice that the C6 base had more displacement than the C5Z? If the C7 base had a 7.3L engine I would expect for it to make 500 hp. In fact, if the LT1 were as large as the LS7 (assuming there is no change in specific output) it would make 514 hp.
Does anyone here know anything about cars?
Does anyone here know anything about cars?
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05-24-2013, 08:26 PM
#179
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Those who aren't satisfied with 455 wouldn't be satisfied with the additional 45 horses to get it to 500. Depending on the circles, 500 is ho hum as well. Despite "just" 455 hp, the increase in torque will make this a very fun street Vette.
