Detroit Free Press; Corvette Purists, Stop Your Complaining
08-25-2013, 10:07 PM
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Burning Brakes
08-25-2013, 10:53 PM
#43
Le Mans Master
I don't mind change at all as long as its attractive and in good taste. However the back of the C7 is not. GM must have paid the guy off to write that. If GM was so into making C7 look different why did they continue to go with the four center loaded pipes a design Corvette has had for 16 years now????
08-25-2013, 10:54 PM
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08-25-2013, 11:11 PM
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The C7 design is certainly NOT perfect... not even close.
But, it's really interesting and exciting overall. And, there are cues to the C2 and C3 that are kinda fun without being "retro".
I think everyone gets too tied up in the look. A year from now, most of you will say you've warmed up to it.
What's new and different is often difficult to accept over the old and familiar.
But, it's really interesting and exciting overall. And, there are cues to the C2 and C3 that are kinda fun without being "retro".
I think everyone gets too tied up in the look. A year from now, most of you will say you've warmed up to it.
What's new and different is often difficult to accept over the old and familiar.
08-25-2013, 11:17 PM
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Scraping the splitter.
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08-25-2013, 11:22 PM
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A most salient point indeed.
I guess it comes down to the pro and cons list and how you weight those pros and cons to make an ultimate decision - thumbs up or down.
I guess it comes down to the pro and cons list and how you weight those pros and cons to make an ultimate decision - thumbs up or down.
08-25-2013, 11:49 PM
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The Corvette has been many different things to many different people.
Given how many different generations of Corvette there have been and how different each one has been, I find it hard to view anyone as a 'Corvette purist'. The definition I would use is someone who keeps their Corvette as stock as is possible, no matter what year or model of Corvette it is.
Given how many different generations of Corvette there have been and how different each one has been, I find it hard to view anyone as a 'Corvette purist'. The definition I would use is someone who keeps their Corvette as stock as is possible, no matter what year or model of Corvette it is.
Those most polarized by the new C7 are representative of those enthusiasts who have lived thorough the Gilded Age - C4-C6.
It will be interesting to see if the C7 will break out of this era.
IMHO
08-26-2013, 12:31 AM
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No numbers. However a lot of forum dealers flaunting un sold allocations. This is just Forum dealers not counting the hundreds of other dealers with unsold allocations. It sure isn't hard to get at this point.
08-26-2013, 12:34 AM
#50
The very vocal and very bitter minority are also very loud (this is often/always the case) but, in the end, it won't change GM's direction or impact the car's success. But, cognizant dissonance runs strong in many of those people too so they will believe what they want to believe
08-26-2013, 12:36 AM
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How about dealers that have requests that exceed their allocations (like mine)? The general public like to see, test drive and then buy cars. Initial allocations and pre-release sales are to nuts like us but we don't make up the majority of car buyers by a long shot.
08-26-2013, 11:53 AM
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Le Mans Master
08-26-2013, 12:05 PM
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Any presale numbers? Does anyone know how many have been ordered or sold?
08-26-2013, 01:51 PM
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Team Owner
Read what I said...as usual, you ignore the point in hopes you can come up with something completely BS.
Read it again and try to understand, look beyond your personal hate of GM and the C7 to the truth of the situation.
Lots of people hated the C6 because it didn't have popups. Purists hated the fact that popups were taken out by team Corvette...it made no significant difference in the end to how successful the C6 was. You even bought one.
This article could have been written about the haters of the C6. No matter how many there were then, it really didn't matter to the C6's success.
Read it again and try to understand, look beyond your personal hate of GM and the C7 to the truth of the situation.
Lots of people hated the C6 because it didn't have popups. Purists hated the fact that popups were taken out by team Corvette...it made no significant difference in the end to how successful the C6 was. You even bought one.
This article could have been written about the haters of the C6. No matter how many there were then, it really didn't matter to the C6's success.
I remember when people on this forum said negative things about the C5's styling and when people on this forum said negative things about the C6's styling, yet the Detroit Free Press didn't feel it was necessary to write an article basically telling them to "shut up and accept it".
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08-26-2013, 01:57 PM
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Here's a thought to ponder. Back when the C6 came out I wonder what the CF member count was, the point being that the internet has come a long way in 10 years and the pool of info is much more easily accessible. If the DFP wrote the same article 10 years ago many outside of Detroit would have never saw it. It's a different world we live in.
08-26-2013, 02:12 PM
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Burning Brakes
Unfortunately, there will always be people who agonize over what they do not like. Some even feel the need to defend their dislikes, and lack the ability to communicate in constructive ways. Others feel the need to point out their dislikes ad nauseum in an attempt to convince others.
We have a few choices in how to respond. We can simply ignore them, losing what possible insight they might have actually been able to share. We can agree with them to placate their need for acceptance and stature, which is often done with children. We can recommend professional counselling, which would probably do all of us some good given the amount of time we spend on this forum. We could also try to help see things from the perspective of 'the other guys', but that takes work that's not likely to happen on an enthusiast forum.
Given the topic at hand. Everyone gets to vote with their wallets and we'll all see how it shakes out after a few years. As the article essentially said, give it "6 months" and make sure that the complete package deserves the ire you're giving it today.
08-26-2013, 02:15 PM
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Team Owner
Here's a thought to ponder. Back when the C6 came out I wonder what the CF member count was, the point being that the internet has come a long way in 10 years and the pool of info is much more easily accessible. If the DFP wrote the same article 10 years ago many outside of Detroit would have never saw it. It's a different world we live in.
Doesn't really mean anything that the Internet was in it's infancy when the Aztek was released. The Detroit free press didn't tell it's hard copy readers to "shut up and accept it" back then.
08-26-2013, 02:22 PM
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Team Owner
This was a perfectly legitimate article and it echoes the thoughts of many of our forum members.
Unfortunately, there will always be people who agonize over what they do not like. Some even feel the need to defend their dislikes, and lack the ability to communicate in constructive ways. Others feel the need to point out their dislikes ad nauseum in an attempt to convince others.
We have a few choices in how to respond. We can simply ignore them, losing what possible insight they might have actually been able to share. We can agree with them to placate their need for acceptance and stature, which is often done with children. We can recommend professional counselling, which would probably do all of us some good given the amount of time we spend on this forum. We could also try to help see things from the perspective of 'the other guys', but that takes work that's not likely to happen on an enthusiast forum.
Given the topic at hand. Everyone gets to vote with their wallets and we'll all see how it shakes out after a few years. As the article essentially said, give it "6 months" and make sure that the complete package deserves the ire you're giving it today.
Unfortunately, there will always be people who agonize over what they do not like. Some even feel the need to defend their dislikes, and lack the ability to communicate in constructive ways. Others feel the need to point out their dislikes ad nauseum in an attempt to convince others.
We have a few choices in how to respond. We can simply ignore them, losing what possible insight they might have actually been able to share. We can agree with them to placate their need for acceptance and stature, which is often done with children. We can recommend professional counselling, which would probably do all of us some good given the amount of time we spend on this forum. We could also try to help see things from the perspective of 'the other guys', but that takes work that's not likely to happen on an enthusiast forum.
Given the topic at hand. Everyone gets to vote with their wallets and we'll all see how it shakes out after a few years. As the article essentially said, give it "6 months" and make sure that the complete package deserves the ire you're giving it today.
08-26-2013, 03:20 PM
#60
Burning Brakes
Oh, you mean like when C5kid posts his feelings about the C7 without a single personal attack on any forum member, and how the "lovers' are now making personal attacks on him. There are even two topics now running making fun of him. Now, who is defending their position with "hate"?
There are several people on this forum with very eloquent communication skills. I'm sure these skills contribute to their success in real life. I often wonder how many of the forum members have become successful enough use a computer, much less to buy a $50K+ new car.
There are also a few members who seem nice enough, but never seem to know when to stop digging.
To clarify further: My original post was intended for those individuals I mentioned in bold.
