Porsche build quality vs Corvette build quality
#241
Hardly. Cars like the Corvette and some crossover SUVs are capable of 30 mpg on the highway, but with the C7, you can be averaging 31 mpg for 100 miles, you get off the Interstate and start driving local roads and the average mpg drops like a stone. Ditto for many other alleged '30 mpg' cars.
Americans look at the sticker, they see '32 mpg hwy' and in their heads they're buying a 30 mpg car. Then they never calculate their actual fuel usage while they own and operate the car. That's rather typical. Most of those crossover SUVs average 22-26 mpg in overall driving, which is great compared to SUVs of the past, but it's not 30 mpg either My C7 gets 15-20 mpg, it only creeps up to 20 if I'm doing a lot of highway driving on that tank. But it is capable of 32 mpg++ if you fill it up and drive it for 100 miles with the cruise control set @ 65-70mph. That's remarkable, but again, in real world driving, it's not really 30 mpg. At some point every trip takes you off the highway.
I'm sure cars get better mpgs in a warm, dry, flat (outside of the mountains that is) place like Nevada. Here in NY it's relentlessly hilly and it's cold half the year (colder air is heavier, more energy required to go any given speed).
Americans look at the sticker, they see '32 mpg hwy' and in their heads they're buying a 30 mpg car. Then they never calculate their actual fuel usage while they own and operate the car. That's rather typical. Most of those crossover SUVs average 22-26 mpg in overall driving, which is great compared to SUVs of the past, but it's not 30 mpg either My C7 gets 15-20 mpg, it only creeps up to 20 if I'm doing a lot of highway driving on that tank. But it is capable of 32 mpg++ if you fill it up and drive it for 100 miles with the cruise control set @ 65-70mph. That's remarkable, but again, in real world driving, it's not really 30 mpg. At some point every trip takes you off the highway.
I'm sure cars get better mpgs in a warm, dry, flat (outside of the mountains that is) place like Nevada. Here in NY it's relentlessly hilly and it's cold half the year (colder air is heavier, more energy required to go any given speed).
My 2006 E320 CDI, (#3,800, 3.2 liter, turbodiesel) is capable of 41 mpg, easy, on a cross country, 70 mph Interstate drive. Yesterday, I covered 112 miles in DFW Interstate driving,as well as miles and miles of stop and go congested Interstates in the Metroplex. Including; crawling, bumper to bumper for miles. The car turned in 33.7 mpg. I didn't look at the average mph for the onboard computer log, but it was probably in the 30 mph range. How I use the car? 30 to 33 mpg is what it yields on average use. However......1 mile each way to the health club? 24 mpg. As I wrote, it depends. Your C7 isn't going to average 30 mpg. I should have stipulated that. 30 mpg, is a very doable average for perhaps many new cars on the road today. Depends.
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#242
I have no experience in owning a BMW, or Lexus, but I continue to read disaster stories on the BMW's cost of repair/ownership and dismal reliability issues. I have read none, or cannot recall reading any about the Lexus brand.
I am almost disgruntled on ever purchasing the MB brand, even used, ever again. Far too many better transportation choices out there, IMO. If, I lived in snow & ice Country, I'd probably own a 4 cyl. new Subaru Outback & a C7. As it is, I'll continue to struggle by with my now 11 year old, MB turbodiesel sedan, with 70K miles on it as my DD.
I am almost disgruntled on ever purchasing the MB brand, even used, ever again. Far too many better transportation choices out there, IMO. If, I lived in snow & ice Country, I'd probably own a 4 cyl. new Subaru Outback & a C7. As it is, I'll continue to struggle by with my now 11 year old, MB turbodiesel sedan, with 70K miles on it as my DD.
#243
Depends......not, hardly.
My 2006 E320 CDI, (#3,800, 3.2 liter, turbodiesel) is capable of 41 mpg, easy, on a cross country, 70 mph Interstate drive. Yesterday, I covered 112 miles in DFW Interstate driving,as well as miles and miles of stop and go congested Interstates in the Metroplex. Including; crawling, bumper to bumper for miles. The car turned in 33.7 mpg. I didn't look at the average mph for the onboard computer log, but it was probably in the 30 mph range. How I use the car? 30 to 33 mpg is what it yields on average use. However......1 mile each way to the health club? 24 mpg. As I wrote, it depends. Your C7 isn't going to average 30 mpg. I should have stipulated that. 30 mpg, is a very doable average for perhaps many new cars on the road today. Depends.
My 2006 E320 CDI, (#3,800, 3.2 liter, turbodiesel) is capable of 41 mpg, easy, on a cross country, 70 mph Interstate drive. Yesterday, I covered 112 miles in DFW Interstate driving,as well as miles and miles of stop and go congested Interstates in the Metroplex. Including; crawling, bumper to bumper for miles. The car turned in 33.7 mpg. I didn't look at the average mph for the onboard computer log, but it was probably in the 30 mph range. How I use the car? 30 to 33 mpg is what it yields on average use. However......1 mile each way to the health club? 24 mpg. As I wrote, it depends. Your C7 isn't going to average 30 mpg. I should have stipulated that. 30 mpg, is a very doable average for perhaps many new cars on the road today. Depends.
I think within 10 years a substantial portion of cars on the road will be hybrids and plugin hybrids (and full electric) and then efficient cars may start to become commonplace.
#244
Heel & Toe
I've owned two 911 Porsches and some Corvettes in my younger days and have also had BMW's, a true driving machine, My Mercedes had great handling and ride. The Infinity and Lexus was not impressive. Currently own a new 2019 Grand Sport. It is noisier than my Ram Truck and also makes my Ram feel like a luxury car as far as driving comfort. The Grand Sport does not compare to the handling and ride of a Porsche. My Grand Sport already makes minor squeaks and I never had that on my porches, Porsche definitely was of higher quality. The Grand Sport rides stiff even on Touring. Noise is not too bad. So what would be my choice today. If I had the money a Porsche Turbo. But that is not a fair comparison. I think for the money the Grand Sport is a bargain compared to other sports cars. I was debating on the Cayman S and the Grand Sport. What made me buy the Grand Sport is I just love the way it looks. I've had strangers come up and start talking about the car and I get people staring all the time. Of course it is the Long Beach Red which really stands out. No one seemed to notice my porsche. I love the car and some noise and stiffness is ok. It is so much fun to drive, so were the prosches but in a different way. I also looked at maintenance expense. Not sure you can really compare a Porsche and Corvette. Two different cars but the Corvette is my favorite.
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patentcad (10-08-2018)
#245
16 Vettes and counting…..
I've owned two 911 Porsches and some Corvettes in my younger days and have also had BMW's, a true driving machine, My Mercedes had great handling and ride. The Infinity and Lexus was not impressive. Currently own a new 2019 Grand Sport. It is noisier than my Ram Truck and also makes my Ram feel like a luxury car as far as driving comfort. The Grand Sport does not compare to the handling and ride of a Porsche. My Grand Sport already makes minor squeaks and I never had that on my porches, Porsche definitely was of higher quality. The Grand Sport rides stiff even on Touring. Noise is not too bad. So what would be my choice today. If I had the money a Porsche Turbo. But that is not a fair comparison. I think for the money the Grand Sport is a bargain compared to other sports cars. I was debating on the Cayman S and the Grand Sport. What made me buy the Grand Sport is I just love the way it looks. I've had strangers come up and start talking about the car and I get people staring all the time. Of course it is the Long Beach Red which really stands out. No one seemed to notice my porsche. I love the car and some noise and stiffness is ok. It is so much fun to drive, so were the prosches but in a different way. I also looked at maintenance expense. Not sure you can really compare a Porsche and Corvette. Two different cars but the Corvette is my favorite.
Lose the runflats and it's a different car. Rides well and tire noise disappears.
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patentcad (10-08-2018)
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#247
I've owned a couple of BMWs. 'A true driving machine' is an advertising slogan. My C7 is FAR superior in that dept. Liked my 3 series, hated my 540i, greatly prefer my old 2007 C6 (which I owned prior to the C7) and my current 2017 Stingray.
Also I could never drive anything that slow.
Also I could never drive anything that slow.
#248
GM has a solid gold brand, Corvette, yet they let their econo-car brand sell/service it. So's we have pages and pages of complaints on this forum and others from affluent corvette buyers being treated like they brought a Chevy Chevette in for warranty issues and service. Even a GMC pickup truck owner gets better treatment because GM product-places the GMC brand upscale from Chevy.
it would take GM all of five minutes to create a luxury car niche for their high-end offerings. Simply rename the GM Cadillac Dealerships a new high end name, eg, Level 10, and let those Dealerships sell and service GM's high-end offerings exclusively, including Corvette. Worked for Toyota-Lexus, Nissan-Infinity, and Honda-Acura. The days of being treated like a second-class citizen in a Chevette dealership would be a thing of the past.
it would take GM all of five minutes to create a luxury car niche for their high-end offerings. Simply rename the GM Cadillac Dealerships a new high end name, eg, Level 10, and let those Dealerships sell and service GM's high-end offerings exclusively, including Corvette. Worked for Toyota-Lexus, Nissan-Infinity, and Honda-Acura. The days of being treated like a second-class citizen in a Chevette dealership would be a thing of the past.
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#249
Melting Slicks
it would take GM all of five minutes to create a luxury car niche for their high-end offerings. Simply rename the GM Cadillac Dealerships a new high end name, eg, Level 10, and let those Dealerships sell and service GM's high-end offerings exclusively, including Corvette. Worked for Toyota-Lexus, Nissan-Infinity, and Honda-Acura. The days of being treated like a second-class citizen in a Chevette dealership would be a thing of the past.
Buy from your local Chevy dealer and you'll get the same service they offer everybody else, whether excellent or not-so-good.
#250
Instructor
I am well aware that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. However, I've owned 2-dozen German cars, and the treatment I get at my Chevrolet dealer equals the best treatment I've received at any of the German franchises.
It may not be common, but they are out there. I don't care if it's a Ford or Chevy dealer, a smart franchise General Manager will understand good customer service and can change the culture if he or she is committed to that. Some are.
It may not be common, but they are out there. I don't care if it's a Ford or Chevy dealer, a smart franchise General Manager will understand good customer service and can change the culture if he or she is committed to that. Some are.