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Can anyone confirm that the non-ZP version of the Pilot Super Sport is identical to the C7 factory tire except for not being runflat?

Does anyone know the weight of the two? I'm talking Z51 sizes.

ratman6161

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ot+Super+Sport

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....Super+Sport+ZP

See the "Specs" area for each tire.

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According to Michelin they no longer make the same size in non run flat. You to go 1 size bigger 255/295 for a total weight savings of 12 lbs.

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Thanks!

meyerweb

I wouldn't count on them being identical in other respects. Obviously, the sidewalls are very different, which will affect how the tire responds. Tread compounds and internal details might also vary.

The ZP in stock sizes was developed specifically for the Stingray. The non-runflat version wasn't. I'm not suggesting it isn't a good tire, but it's not likely "the same."

Karlba

biggest issue for me in switching to non run flats, when I have done it on bimmers in the past. The suspension is tuned for run flat tires, with a stiffer sidewall, swapping to non run flats and that nice fine tuned suspension of the Z51 u paid for may feel more mushy. to me on bimmers with sport susp swapping to run flats made the car somewhere between sport and std susp on them.
can only speak to that exp as this is my first vette and I am still on the orig tires.

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Since the ZP was designed specifically for the stingray and even the z51 has its own tire I'm a little concerned that it will be different.

As long as the compound and traction are just as good I'll go for them.

I have no use for runflats at all, I think they're stupid. Heavy, loud, and if you bother to use the runflat feature you ruin the tire anyway.

I'd rather have quiet tires that are lighter, I just hope the non ZP version hooks just as good.

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Shoot that wouldn't bother me at all, I find track mode on the mag ride to be very rigid.

Karlba

mag ride you have the ability to just keep the susp on a stiffer setting for each situation, those without mag ride may find the susp softer than they would like with non run flats.

///ADMAN

Glad I got mag ride

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meyerweb

Tire Rack has reviewed both. They don't have a direct comparison, but you should be able to get some good information. My take is that the ZP performs better, but maybe not a lot.

There is someone, on this forum or the other major one, who has posted that the ZP offers significantly better handling than the A/S 3.

thegame

Can anyone confirm if that will fit without any issues on the z51 rims?

RandyC7

I swapped out the run flats to the Michiline AS3's in the exact same sizes on my 14 Z51 3LT vert without any problems. I find the car handles better (especially in colder weather), is much quieter, and there's no tire hop. Just my 2 cents...

owc6

Simply not true unless you track the car; you will lose the speed rating. I have over 100,000 miles on properly plug-patched RFs, and have never had a problem due to a repair. People keep spouting this old-wives' tale, but it has no basis in fact for the every-day driver.

GOLD72

A run flat would only be ruined if one was to drive an extended distance with little or no air pressure in it. Having to drive with a seriously underinflated tire is a rather extreme circumstance for most folks. The DIC lets you know rather quickly when a tire is somewhat underinflated. Fill the tire with air before you leave home or at the closest service station. If you have multiple tires underinflated, you don't have a puncture, you have just neglected your tires for a length of time or failed to compensate for colder weather by maintaining 30 psi in the tires cold.

Corgidog1

I like the security that if I have a flat, I can still drive to where I need to be.

Nosferatu

as soon as my factory tires are worn I'm going to non-runflats. I did that with my C6 and plan on doing that with the C7 as well. I felt my Super Sports I used on my C6 (same tire dimensions) gripped a hell of a lot more than the ZP ones do on the C7.

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How far did you drive on the tire with no air?


This is from Tire Rack's website, and I understand this is also true for the Michelin's on C7's

"...if driven within their speed and distance limitations, driving on run-flat tires with low or no air pressure can permanently damage their internal structure, surrendering strength and durability.

Unfortunately, when it's time to consider repair, even a trained tire specialist may be unable to confirm internal structure damage resulting from a run-flat tire having been driven in a severely underinflated or zero pressure condition. Such damage may not be visible on the surfaces of the tire's exterior sidewalls or interior liner making it impossible to determine tire suitability for repair or reuse. Because of this, Tire Rack and many tire manufacturers recommend replacement of run-flat tires driven in a severely underinflated or zero pressure condition."



Sure you can properly patch a tire and it will be good to go, but if you actually drive on a runflat, IMO that is using the runflat feature, you can ruin the tire and even a professional can't tell you for sure how badly.

If I'm going to not drive on a flat, and have it repaired, I can do that with a lighter cheaper quieter tire than a runflat.

RickMN

Disappointing to hear they don't have the same sizes. Was planning to switch to the non run flat versions when I burn up the OE tires.

The weight savings is un-sprung weight which is important to help the suspension keep the tire stuck to the ground when pulling G's over bumps.