900 Miles = Low 2.5 Qts and Check Engine
#1
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900 Miles = Low 2.5 Qts and Check Engine
Picked up my SG Z51 at the mueseum on Wednesday. Had the 500 mile oil change on Thursday. Saturday the Check Engine light comes on while driving to breakfast. I check the oil and am just under 3 quarts low. (Yes, i did the proper procedure with warming up and waiting 5-10 minutes).
Called the dealer and they show 10 quarts used for the change. Service manager is going to call me on Momday. Put approximately 400 miles on since the oil change and the light coming on. No leaks on the garage floor.
I topped off the oil, and drove normally all day yesterday. Checked oil several times and is staying at the same level as when I topped off.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Is the Check Engine light related to the low oil condition? Normally CE light is for sensors or emmission related items. The DIC never showed a Low Oil condition.
Thanks in advance!
Called the dealer and they show 10 quarts used for the change. Service manager is going to call me on Momday. Put approximately 400 miles on since the oil change and the light coming on. No leaks on the garage floor.
I topped off the oil, and drove normally all day yesterday. Checked oil several times and is staying at the same level as when I topped off.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Is the Check Engine light related to the low oil condition? Normally CE light is for sensors or emmission related items. The DIC never showed a Low Oil condition.
Thanks in advance!
#2
See if OnStar can retrieve the CEL code, it may be unrelated to the oil level.
The only reasonable explanation for the low oil level is not enough was added. Losing 3 quarts in 400 miles would have involved a very noticeable and messy leak that wouldn't have self cured.
I know I care more about my vehicles than the dealership low level folks so I do my own oil changes so stuff like this won't happen. This was reinforced for me in 2008 when I was driving my Cadillac CTS home after just taking delivery and noticed a very annoying rattle from the engine compartment when stopped at a light. I pulled into a parking lot and found the dipstick was only about halfway inserted; fortunately the oil level was OK but not reinstalling the dipstick properly was pretty careless behavior. If you use the dealership for oil changes, especially for dry sump engines, check the level as soon as you get home. This is particularly important for new vehicles so you will at least know the starting level and won't have to wonder whether you new engine is consuming a lot of oil.
When engines burn significant oil it is pretty obvious, just get in line behind a early 2000s Mitsubishi or one of the Chrysler vans using their 6 cylinder engine and you would think you were behind a college student driving a 70s "beater" car from the rancid smell and fumes
The only reasonable explanation for the low oil level is not enough was added. Losing 3 quarts in 400 miles would have involved a very noticeable and messy leak that wouldn't have self cured.
I know I care more about my vehicles than the dealership low level folks so I do my own oil changes so stuff like this won't happen. This was reinforced for me in 2008 when I was driving my Cadillac CTS home after just taking delivery and noticed a very annoying rattle from the engine compartment when stopped at a light. I pulled into a parking lot and found the dipstick was only about halfway inserted; fortunately the oil level was OK but not reinstalling the dipstick properly was pretty careless behavior. If you use the dealership for oil changes, especially for dry sump engines, check the level as soon as you get home. This is particularly important for new vehicles so you will at least know the starting level and won't have to wonder whether you new engine is consuming a lot of oil.
When engines burn significant oil it is pretty obvious, just get in line behind a early 2000s Mitsubishi or one of the Chrysler vans using their 6 cylinder engine and you would think you were behind a college student driving a 70s "beater" car from the rancid smell and fumes
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Just because the dealership's computer says the correct amount of oil was used, doesn't mean the tech didn't get distracted and forgot. Weird things happen. It's always good to double check the oil level after a change.
Hope all is well with your car.
Hope all is well with your car.
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Dealer forgot to add any oil to my dad's Buick one time. There was enough residual oil to keep the oil warning light extinguished. He drove the car about sixty miles and discovered lack of oil by accident. I now always check my oil quantity after dealer performs an oil change, it happens.
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I can't tell you how many times I've seen a tech write one thing on the RO and do something else. If you caught it right away and were not tracking the car, I think you'll be ok. On an oil change, always check it after the work is done.
#6
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The dry sump Z51 LT1 requires 9.8qts, and the wet sump requires 7.0qts.
If I were to guess, the dealership serviced it as a wet sump given the amount you're down is nearly the -exact- difference between specs. The dealership is covering their butt by telling you 10qts (which is too much for a dry sump) while the oil tech probably put in 7.
All that said, if 10qts went in and 2.5 is missing now, that's a problem. I would go with the other advice to call Onstar for the code to see if it's related.
If I were to guess, the dealership serviced it as a wet sump given the amount you're down is nearly the -exact- difference between specs. The dealership is covering their butt by telling you 10qts (which is too much for a dry sump) while the oil tech probably put in 7.
All that said, if 10qts went in and 2.5 is missing now, that's a problem. I would go with the other advice to call Onstar for the code to see if it's related.
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I hope all is well but you should have checked the oil at the earliest opportunity after the change.
Would seem that you may be OK, hope so. Don
Would seem that you may be OK, hope so. Don
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I agree with the other posts. If you had a problem with the engine burning or dripping oil you'd know it. Either an oil slick at home or a blue/grey fog following your every move. I'd bet the flunky changing the oil put in what is required for wet sump engines. Dealers may have Corvette certified mechanics but I'll bet a set of summer only tires those mechanics don't do oil changes.
#9
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Thanks for the input All. The 7Qt vs 9.8 makes so much sense. Never even considered that. Just glad I caught it right after the service work.
I didn't know OnStar can provide the codes. Will buzz them and see if it is related.
Thanks all!!
I didn't know OnStar can provide the codes. Will buzz them and see if it is related.
Thanks all!!
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Welcome to incompetent Chevrolet Dealer Service.
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No, it’s simple business economics. Can’t use certified, highly trained service technicians to do simple jobs, customers won’t pay the price, so, at the worst, a shop gofer does the oil change and is either too lazy to check or doesn’t know better. Don
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The dry sump Z51 LT1 requires 9.8qts, and the wet sump requires 7.0qts.
If I were to guess, the dealership serviced it as a wet sump given the amount you're down is nearly the -exact- difference between specs. The dealership is covering their butt by telling you 10qts (which is too much for a dry sump) while the oil tech probably put in 7.
All that said, if 10qts went in and 2.5 is missing now, that's a problem. I would go with the other advice to call Onstar for the code to see if it's related.
If I were to guess, the dealership serviced it as a wet sump given the amount you're down is nearly the -exact- difference between specs. The dealership is covering their butt by telling you 10qts (which is too much for a dry sump) while the oil tech probably put in 7.
All that said, if 10qts went in and 2.5 is missing now, that's a problem. I would go with the other advice to call Onstar for the code to see if it's related.
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Ahhhhhh Just one more example of why I do not use the Chevy Stores.. Bring my own oil and filter and watch it being done even go under in the pit to look over the underside of my vehicles to make sure everything is ok.
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Dealer called me this morning at 7:30. They spoke with the tech and discovered that he filled it as if it were a non Z51 car. Hence the 3 quart low level. Dealer will be reimbursing me for the additional oil and was very apologetic that it happened.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
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Dealer called me this morning at 7:30. They spoke with the tech and discovered that he filled it as if it were a non Z51 car. Hence the 3 quart low level. Dealer will be reimbursing me for the additional oil and was very apologetic that it happened.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
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I don't care if the tech thought you had a 1.5L engine. The question I have is: "Did the schmuck check the oil level after his fill up"? If he checked, there was NOTHING showing on the dip stick!!!
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Dealer called me this morning at 7:30. They spoke with the tech and discovered that he filled it as if it were a non Z51 car. Hence the 3 quart low level. Dealer will be reimbursing me for the additional oil and was very apologetic that it happened.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
WOW that mechanic/dealership owed up to it! That does not happen often! I would keep that in mind when If I go back, things happen but they were good about it.
My personal feelings they should give you a free oil change or something more than just your missing oil.
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Dealer called me this morning at 7:30. They spoke with the tech and discovered that he filled it as if it were a non Z51 car. Hence the 3 quart low level. Dealer will be reimbursing me for the additional oil and was very apologetic that it happened.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
I'm just glad I caught it and lesson learned about future oil changes. Not upset with the dealership as mistakes happen and they have treated me well in the past. Everyone has a bad day here and there.
Thanks to all that offered opinions. Much appreciated and definitely glad the engine wasn't burning it up and spitting it out.
So in all of this, did you confirm as well that they used Mobil 1 5w-30 per the GM included maintenance? If they got the capacity wrong, as well as sending you off with a dry dipstick (had to write that ), I would be shocked if they are up to speed with using Mobil 1 as the requirement for all Corvettes (not just dry sump) in your 24-month included oil changes.
If they treated it as a wet sump, many dealers (if they even acknowledge Mobil 1 as the requirement) will only put Mobil 1 5w-30 in the dry sumps and put standard GM dexos rated 5w-30 in the wet.
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