C7 Z51 compared to F430??
08-09-2015, 03:05 PM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Guys who have owned both, can you compare the two?
I'm debating a used one (430) or if possible a used 458 in a few years but I love my C7.
Just curious on your take on both? Thanks
I'm debating a used one (430) or if possible a used 458 in a few years but I love my C7.
Just curious on your take on both? Thanks
Last edited by ssidekickbp; 08-09-2015 at 08:39 PM.
08-09-2015, 03:38 PM
#2
Burning Brakes
<p>Take a look at the maintenance schedule for Ferrari, from your basic annual fluid changes to costs for clutch and brake replacement. They have major service every 3yrs/ 15K miles. This is important to see on the used cars as owners might tend to bail before those time periods so you pay the maintenance bill after purchase. The costs here can exceed the double plus the retail price difference, Vette to Ferrari. To some here with a C7, the price and costs is not an issue on the Italian. To others, getting up to that next step in the hierarchy of automobiles can turn into a cash cow of disappointments.</p>
Last edited by Steve Garrett; 08-10-2015 at 04:55 PM. Reason: No need to requote the OP, especially when you're the next poster.
08-09-2015, 04:08 PM
#3
C7 Z51 compared to F430??
Originally Posted by longboy4
Take a look at the maintenance schedule for Ferrari, from your basic annual fluid changes to costs for clutch and brake replacement. They have major service every 3yrs/ 15K miles. This is important to see on the used cars as owners might tend to bail before those time periods so you pay the maintenance bill after purchase. The costs here can exceed the double plus the retail price difference, Vette to Ferrari. To some here with a C7, the price and costs is not an issue on the Italian. To others, getting up to that next step in the hierarchy of automobiles can turn into a cash cow of disappointments.
08-09-2015, 04:17 PM
#4
Le Mans Master
Ya gotta have real money to own a Ferrari. Real money to buy a good one, and real money to properly maintain it.
I know of a couple of guys who stretched their budgets to own a used one -- both ended up dumping the cars and losing big bucks.
I know of a couple of guys who stretched their budgets to own a used one -- both ended up dumping the cars and losing big bucks.
08-09-2015, 06:39 PM
#7
It's common knowledge that a Ferrari is much more expensive to maintain but I'm not sure the OP cares about this. I recently drove a 2015 Ferrari California, a more direct comparison to a C7 because it's front engine. I was prepared to say, "yea, it's way better than what I have", but I couldn't. I found very little difference in the driving experience. Hope this helps.
08-09-2015, 07:12 PM
#8
It's funny for me to hear people talk about what they have heard or what they think about Ferrari's maintenance / service costs.
I have 3 years and 33,000 miles of ownership with a 2005 F430.
So these are real numbers.
You will need tires every 6,000 to 8,000 miles and a 4 wheel alignment. Cost around $2,000.
The good news is that the car will feel like a brand new car on rails.
I've never had a wheel alignment feel so good.
Every 5,000 miles is minor service and yes they do change the oil and do a lot more for $600. Oil takes 16 quarts and 3 different drain plugs.
Every 10,000 miles is full service. They go through the entire car so when you get it back. Again, it is like a brand new car. $1,600 for this service. Gone are the days of having to take the engine out for service and the timing chain is steel just like our Corvettes. So, no timing chain replacement at 30,000 miles. I never had any other service issues while I owned this car.
I was luck enough to own this Ferrari and a 2007 ZO6 at the same time and I would rotate the cars every other day as a daily driver.
After about 6 months, I started grabbing the Ferrari keys every day.
After a couple of months, I sold the ZO6. The Ferrari is a hand built car and is in a different world than a Corvette of any kind.
Ferrari's and Corvettes are both fun performance cars. But, not to be compared. The Ferrari is in a different class.
My 2015 Stingray M7 is a great car and easy to drive and own. And, it might be faster than my Ferrari but not the same drivers car.
I have owned 56 cars in my life and my Ferrari is the only car that became part of me and got faster with time. I can't think of any other way to say it.
Best to all,
Caholo
I have 3 years and 33,000 miles of ownership with a 2005 F430.
So these are real numbers.
You will need tires every 6,000 to 8,000 miles and a 4 wheel alignment. Cost around $2,000.
The good news is that the car will feel like a brand new car on rails.
I've never had a wheel alignment feel so good.
Every 5,000 miles is minor service and yes they do change the oil and do a lot more for $600. Oil takes 16 quarts and 3 different drain plugs.
Every 10,000 miles is full service. They go through the entire car so when you get it back. Again, it is like a brand new car. $1,600 for this service. Gone are the days of having to take the engine out for service and the timing chain is steel just like our Corvettes. So, no timing chain replacement at 30,000 miles. I never had any other service issues while I owned this car.
I was luck enough to own this Ferrari and a 2007 ZO6 at the same time and I would rotate the cars every other day as a daily driver.
After about 6 months, I started grabbing the Ferrari keys every day.
After a couple of months, I sold the ZO6. The Ferrari is a hand built car and is in a different world than a Corvette of any kind.
Ferrari's and Corvettes are both fun performance cars. But, not to be compared. The Ferrari is in a different class.
My 2015 Stingray M7 is a great car and easy to drive and own. And, it might be faster than my Ferrari but not the same drivers car.
I have owned 56 cars in my life and my Ferrari is the only car that became part of me and got faster with time. I can't think of any other way to say it.
Best to all,
Caholo
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08-09-2015, 08:30 PM
#9
Pro
Every 10,000 miles is full service. They go through the entire car so when you get it back. Again, it is like a brand new car. Gone are the days of having to take the engine out for service and the timing chain is steel just like our Corvettes. So, no timing chain replacement at 30,000 miles. I never had any other service issues while I owned this car.
08-09-2015, 08:38 PM
#10
Drifting
But if you have the money and it will make you happy - do it Reminds me of my boat. I loved it when I bought it and was happy to get rid of it.
08-09-2015, 10:07 PM
#11
Team Owner
buying an F430 is only the half of it.
08-10-2015, 10:47 AM
#13
It's funny for me to hear people talk about what they have heard or what they think about Ferrari's maintenance / service costs.
I have 3 years and 33,000 miles of ownership with a 2005 F430.
So these are real numbers.
You will need tires every 6,000 to 8,000 miles and a 4 wheel alignment. Cost around $2,000.
The good news is that the car will feel like a brand new car on rails.
I've never had a wheel alignment feel so good.
Every 5,000 miles is minor service and yes they do change the oil and do a lot more for $600. Oil takes 16 quarts and 3 different drain plugs.
Every 10,000 miles is full service. They go through the entire car so when you get it back. Again, it is like a brand new car. Gone are the days of having to take the engine out for service and the timing chain is steel just like our Corvettes. So, no timing chain replacement at 30,000 miles. I never had any other service issues while I owned this car.
I was luck enough to own this Ferrari and a 2007 ZO6 at the same time and I would rotate the cars every other day as a daily driver.
After about 6 months, I started grabbing the Ferrari keys every day.
After a couple of months, I sold the ZO6. The Ferrari is a hand built car and is in a different world than a Corvette of any kind.
Ferrari's and Corvettes are both fun performance cars. But, not to be compared. The Ferrari is in a different class.
My 2015 Stingray M7 is a great car and easy to drive and own. And, it might be faster than my Ferrari but not the same drivers car.
I have owned 56 cars in my life and my Ferrari is the only car that became part of me and got faster with time. I can't think of any other way to say it.
Best to all,
Caholo
I have 3 years and 33,000 miles of ownership with a 2005 F430.
So these are real numbers.
You will need tires every 6,000 to 8,000 miles and a 4 wheel alignment. Cost around $2,000.
The good news is that the car will feel like a brand new car on rails.
I've never had a wheel alignment feel so good.
Every 5,000 miles is minor service and yes they do change the oil and do a lot more for $600. Oil takes 16 quarts and 3 different drain plugs.
Every 10,000 miles is full service. They go through the entire car so when you get it back. Again, it is like a brand new car. Gone are the days of having to take the engine out for service and the timing chain is steel just like our Corvettes. So, no timing chain replacement at 30,000 miles. I never had any other service issues while I owned this car.
I was luck enough to own this Ferrari and a 2007 ZO6 at the same time and I would rotate the cars every other day as a daily driver.
After about 6 months, I started grabbing the Ferrari keys every day.
After a couple of months, I sold the ZO6. The Ferrari is a hand built car and is in a different world than a Corvette of any kind.
Ferrari's and Corvettes are both fun performance cars. But, not to be compared. The Ferrari is in a different class.
My 2015 Stingray M7 is a great car and easy to drive and own. And, it might be faster than my Ferrari but not the same drivers car.
I have owned 56 cars in my life and my Ferrari is the only car that became part of me and got faster with time. I can't think of any other way to say it.
Best to all,
Caholo
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08-10-2015, 01:02 PM
#15
Drifting
I don't think the OP is looking for a debate on the maintenance costs. We all know which is less expensive. He's talking about the driving experience.
The only one who's provided any information about that is Caholo1. It sounds like he loved his 430 more than his old C6 Z06. But, having driven a few thousand miles in my dad's Z06 compared to my C7 Z51 coupe (that looks EXACTLY like Caholy crap are we brothers?), & I'll tell you that the Z51 is much more comfortable and *nearly* as capable as a C6Z.
On another note, as Caholo alluded to with the timing chain, it was the belt changes that drove the maintenance prices into the stratosphere. Now with the timing chains (starting with the 430 I believe), those are now a thing of the past.
So Caholo1, can you compare the driving experience of your 430 and your C7 for us?
The only one who's provided any information about that is Caholo1. It sounds like he loved his 430 more than his old C6 Z06. But, having driven a few thousand miles in my dad's Z06 compared to my C7 Z51 coupe (that looks EXACTLY like Caholy crap are we brothers?), & I'll tell you that the Z51 is much more comfortable and *nearly* as capable as a C6Z.
On another note, as Caholo alluded to with the timing chain, it was the belt changes that drove the maintenance prices into the stratosphere. Now with the timing chains (starting with the 430 I believe), those are now a thing of the past.
So Caholo1, can you compare the driving experience of your 430 and your C7 for us?
08-10-2015, 04:19 PM
#16
Hi Again All,
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
08-10-2015, 09:10 PM
#17
Le Mans Master
Hi Again All,
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
08-10-2015, 09:25 PM
#18
Banned Scam/Spammer
Hi Again All,
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
I edited my original post to include the cost of around $1,600 for the 10,000 mile service.
As far as driving experience goes, this is how I heard it said best.
When a car builder designs a car, (including Corvette). they build a car and then put seats in it.
With Ferrari, they start with the drivers seat and build a car around it.
Best to All!
Caholo
08-10-2015, 09:47 PM
#20
Team Owner
How about the cost of insuring a Ferrari, or replacing a windshield if it gets a chip, then there's the everyday little things that happen to the car, door dings from idiots, curb rash on the rims, rock chips.......it's good to hear about low (relatively) maintenance costs but how about all the other costs that come with car ownership? Like I said, buying a Ferrari is just he half of it.