Corvette makes worst reliable list.
10-27-2015, 08:51 AM
#141
I think you are far too enamored with CR and are overestimating its influence in the marketplace. CR caters to the "grandma needs to replace her toaster and wants to find the best one" crowd. If you take a look at when the group was recently restructured due to rapidly declining revenues one of the key problems noted was their average subscriber age was over 60.
I always got a chuckle from the days when they were heavily promoting their, "we don't accept advertising thus we aren't biased" slogan but the most common form of bias is ignorance which their review and rating process have by the boxcar load.
If you are truly worried that a CR poll is going to significantly impact the value of your C7, relax. But it seems you consistently pop up in the "unhappy" threads and if I was this upset with the C7 I would quickly move on to something else.
I always got a chuckle from the days when they were heavily promoting their, "we don't accept advertising thus we aren't biased" slogan but the most common form of bias is ignorance which their review and rating process have by the boxcar load.
If you are truly worried that a CR poll is going to significantly impact the value of your C7, relax. But it seems you consistently pop up in the "unhappy" threads and if I was this upset with the C7 I would quickly move on to something else.
10-27-2015, 09:05 AM
#142
I think you are far too enamored with CR and are overestimating its influence in the marketplace. CR caters to the "grandma needs to replace her toaster and wants to find the best one" crowd. If you take a look at when the group was recently restructured due to rapidly declining revenues one of the key problems noted was their average subscriber age was over 60.
I always got a chuckle from the days when they were heavily promoting their, "we don't accept advertising thus we aren't biased" slogan but the most common form of bias is ignorance which their review and rating process have by the boxcar load.
If you are truly worried that a CR poll is going to significantly impact the value of your C7, relax. But it seems you consistently pop up in the "unhappy" threads and if I was this upset with the C7 I would quickly move on to something else.
I always got a chuckle from the days when they were heavily promoting their, "we don't accept advertising thus we aren't biased" slogan but the most common form of bias is ignorance which their review and rating process have by the boxcar load.
If you are truly worried that a CR poll is going to significantly impact the value of your C7, relax. But it seems you consistently pop up in the "unhappy" threads and if I was this upset with the C7 I would quickly move on to something else.
Would your opinion be different and would you attempt to twist the facts and make false assumptions if the rating was stellar ?
10-27-2015, 09:24 AM
#143
My opinion of CR and their methodology remains the same no matter what they "find". Do you believe that the CR readership provides a representative sample of the overall group of C7 owners? If not (and as a PhD who spent a lot of time with research methodology I can assure you it isn't a representative sample) then you cannot accurately extrapolate back to the larger group.
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10-27-2015, 03:53 PM
#144
Le Mans Master
My opinion of CR and their methodology remains the same no matter what they "find". Do you believe that the CR readership provides a representative sample of the overall group of C7 owners? If not (and as a PhD who spent a lot of time with research methodology I can assure you it isn't a representative sample) then you cannot accurately extrapolate back to the larger group.
10-27-2015, 09:12 PM
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A whole lot of people have no understanding of basic statistics.
10-27-2015, 09:22 PM
#147
Le Mans Master
Magazines have been trashing the Corvette for years why should it change now. 
10-27-2015, 09:46 PM
#149
Drifting
CR has been around for 80 years .....over one million subscribers plus all the folks that read it ..quote it ..see it with their on line account ..and the fact ..that it may be the most quoted pubilcation ..
and you feel it's ratings are not going to effect the sales and resale of products. Interesting ... I doubt G.M. was smiling when the list of the top twenty worst vehicles was published..
I did not find any joy in the dismal rating that my new C7 received..
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and you feel it's ratings are not going to effect the sales and resale of products. Interesting ... I doubt G.M. was smiling when the list of the top twenty worst vehicles was published..
I did not find any joy in the dismal rating that my new C7 received..
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1 million people read CR? What do the other 332 million people in the US do?
10-27-2015, 10:06 PM
#150
Le Mans Master
You don't get it do you? Corvette buyers are not like middle aged housewives who pour over CR to decide which vacuum to buy. Reliability ratings mean nothing while HP, torque and skid pad ratings mean everything.
1 million people read CR? What do the other 332 million people in the US do?
1 million people read CR? What do the other 332 million people in the US do?
Well stated
Those of us who are gear heads are only interested in the performance we could not are less about all the other stuff
10-27-2015, 10:32 PM
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10-28-2015, 07:51 AM
#152
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10-28-2015, 08:50 AM
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10-28-2015, 09:00 AM
#154
Are you saying the 15's got all of the sudden exponentially worse from the 14's, and then the 16's could somehow be completely different?
That just shows how retarded these CR ratings systems are.
Your post hurts my brain.
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10-28-2015, 10:56 AM
#155
They are comparing ratings given by Kia drivers to ratings given by Corvette drivers. The two groups could not be more fundementally different. Why on earth would anyone assume you could compare ratings stats between the two on very different products and think there is something to be learned from the differences?
You are comparing apples to oranges and 70% of the oranges do not think apples are round.
10-28-2015, 12:15 PM
#156
I went through the CR ratings for Sports Cars and found a lot of interesting and contradictory info. Thought I'd share.
First off for Overall Score the Corvette Stingray 3LT took 3rd with a score of 92 behind the 911 Carrera S with 95 and the BMW 235i at 98. There were 25 cars listed.
In the reliability category the 2016 Stingray was given a predicted score of Poor. There was no breakdown in categories for the '16. For the '14 the reliability score was Good and the score for the 2015 was Poor.
What I found interesting was when looking at the 2014 and 2015 individual categories, scores in certain areas dropped in spite of there being essentially no change in design. There were also a number of areas where the scores for the '15 improved on the score from '14.
There were 17 individual categories. The '15 Stingray scored an Excellent in 9 categories and Fair in 8. There was nothing in between. Here is how the categories with Fair scores broke down. I've included the scores from 2014 for comparison
Engine Minor - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Engine Cooling - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Electrical System - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Climate System - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Exhaust - '14 Good, '15 Fair
Body Integrity - '14 Very Good, '15 Fair
Power Equipment - '14 Very Good, '15 Fair
Audio system - '14 Good, '15 Fair
The areas where the '15 improved from '14 were…
Fuel System
Suspension
Brakes
Finally in spite of all the howling going on about transmission failures and engines blowing up the categories for Transmission Major, Transmission Minor and Engine Major have all scored an Excellent for each year of the C7 rated.
First off for Overall Score the Corvette Stingray 3LT took 3rd with a score of 92 behind the 911 Carrera S with 95 and the BMW 235i at 98. There were 25 cars listed.
In the reliability category the 2016 Stingray was given a predicted score of Poor. There was no breakdown in categories for the '16. For the '14 the reliability score was Good and the score for the 2015 was Poor.
What I found interesting was when looking at the 2014 and 2015 individual categories, scores in certain areas dropped in spite of there being essentially no change in design. There were also a number of areas where the scores for the '15 improved on the score from '14.
There were 17 individual categories. The '15 Stingray scored an Excellent in 9 categories and Fair in 8. There was nothing in between. Here is how the categories with Fair scores broke down. I've included the scores from 2014 for comparison
Engine Minor - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Engine Cooling - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Electrical System - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Climate System - '14 Excellent, '15 Fair
Exhaust - '14 Good, '15 Fair
Body Integrity - '14 Very Good, '15 Fair
Power Equipment - '14 Very Good, '15 Fair
Audio system - '14 Good, '15 Fair
The areas where the '15 improved from '14 were…
Fuel System
Suspension
Brakes
Finally in spite of all the howling going on about transmission failures and engines blowing up the categories for Transmission Major, Transmission Minor and Engine Major have all scored an Excellent for each year of the C7 rated.
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10-28-2015, 01:41 PM
#157
Drifting
The General has all the REAL stats that they (or we for that matter )truly need...
They can tell you how many cars are produced and the number of warranty claims made. It is in their economic best interest to continually reduce those costs SO... If you really want to know.... Ask GM
( or JD Power )
Would be nice is GM stepped up and quashed the whole BS argument.
Too much statistical noise when you ask a subset of owners.
and BTW, I don't recall anyone on this Forum telling us the THEY responded to the Consumers Reports survey... where are these people ?
Maybe they are not enthusiasts and think they bought a Cruze, so they will complain that the car rides rough and is noisy.
They can tell you how many cars are produced and the number of warranty claims made. It is in their economic best interest to continually reduce those costs SO... If you really want to know.... Ask GM
( or JD Power )
Would be nice is GM stepped up and quashed the whole BS argument.
Too much statistical noise when you ask a subset of owners.
and BTW, I don't recall anyone on this Forum telling us the THEY responded to the Consumers Reports survey... where are these people ?
Maybe they are not enthusiasts and think they bought a Cruze, so they will complain that the car rides rough and is noisy.
10-28-2015, 02:33 PM
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11-06-2015, 01:31 PM
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No Problems 2015 super car
Love my new vette and every single thing about it. 2200 miles and not cuddling miles. It is a sports car driven like one. So much better than my previous vettes. Chevrolet has nothing to be ashamed of.
11-06-2015, 03:44 PM
#160
Melting Slicks
Wonder how much of it is Vette owners being hypercritical and/or being far more prone to complaints than those who buy say a Ford Focus? Not knocking the Ford but I'd bet the C7 community is pretty intolerant of any imperfections.
I'm very happy with mine after 15 mo, only issues were a bum wheel stud and a passenger seat limit switch. Don
I'm very happy with mine after 15 mo, only issues were a bum wheel stud and a passenger seat limit switch. Don
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