A10 faster shifts than dual clutch
05-12-2016, 04:13 PM
#22
It's not an accusation. It's a clear fact.
Anyone who has driven both the A8 and PDK knows the A8's lag is terrible.
Read the posts in this thread from other educated GM owners like myself who experience the lag.
Even GM fan boys can't continue to deny the facts when other GM owners are telling you that the lag is terrible and the A8 doesn't even come CLOSE to PDK.
Now, let's see how the mods address the personal attack and obvious trolling above.
In the meantime, EVERYONE who has driven a PDK knows I'm telling the truth and who's clueless.
Anyone who has driven both the A8 and PDK knows the A8's lag is terrible.
Read the posts in this thread from other educated GM owners like myself who experience the lag.
Even GM fan boys can't continue to deny the facts when other GM owners are telling you that the lag is terrible and the A8 doesn't even come CLOSE to PDK.
Now, let's see how the mods address the personal attack and obvious trolling above.
In the meantime, EVERYONE who has driven a PDK knows I'm telling the truth and who's clueless.
Last edited by 20171LE; 05-12-2016 at 04:36 PM.
05-12-2016, 04:41 PM
#23
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I wouldn't be surprised if the A10 finds it's way into the 2017 Z06.
05-12-2016, 04:47 PM
#24
I believe I read that it is too large for the current C7. Also, doesn't FCA also offer a 10 speed in some of their cars/Jeeps? They have had issues with this tranny. At the shift times you are referring to, I doubt they will make much difference to most drivers. Reliability and durability are, in my mind, more important than shift speed. I do know that the 8 speed Steptronic in my BMW is faster and crisper than the A8 in my C7.
"In fact, in the 2015 Corvette Stingray, it enables a class-leading 29-mpg EPA highway estimate – a 3.5-percent increase in fuel economy over the previous six-speed automatic – and a quicker 0-60 time of 3.7 seconds, all while delivering wide-open-throttle upshifts quicker than those of the dual-clutch transmission offered in the Porsche 911."
05-12-2016, 06:45 PM
#25
Safety Car
Oh jesus this guy.
He was spewing this crap on the Gen 6 Camaro forums and got his *** handed to him there too. He'll disappear, or change his gripe so he doesn't appear as clueless as he really is.
I'll post here exactly what I posted when you put this on the Camaro forums.
Link to exact post so you guys can read his drivel.
My reply:
He was spewing this crap on the Gen 6 Camaro forums and got his *** handed to him there too. He'll disappear, or change his gripe so he doesn't appear as clueless as he really is.
I'll post here exactly what I posted when you put this on the Camaro forums.
Link to exact post so you guys can read his drivel.
My reply:
05-12-2016, 07:14 PM
#26
Safety Car
GM has been saying their "newest" automatics shift just as fast a DSG/PDK for years. Sorry GM, keep putting torque converters in your automatics and it will never shift as quick or as good as a DSG/PDK.
05-12-2016, 07:15 PM
#27
Safety Car
05-12-2016, 07:18 PM
#28
instead of making a pathetic attempt to dismiss someone based on post count ????
You can't continue to deny reality and all the fellow Corvette owners that have personally experienced the A8's lag that GM continue to lie about while ridiculously comparing it to PDK.
With that said, I love my Corvettes and my rev-matching stick and I hope the A10 makes GM's lies true this time around.
I expect the A10 to replace the A8 in the Corvette and Camaro for 2018.
Last edited by 20171LE; 05-12-2016 at 07:29 PM.
05-12-2016, 07:42 PM
#30
It's not an accusation. It's a clear fact.
Anyone who has driven both the A8 and PDK knows the A8's lag is terrible.
Read the posts in this thread from other educated GM owners like myself who experience the lag.
Even GM fan boys can't continue to deny the facts when other GM owners are telling you that the lag is terrible and the A8 doesn't even come CLOSE to PDK.
Now, let's see how the mods address the personal attack and obvious trolling above.
In the meantime, EVERYONE who has driven a PDK knows I'm telling the truth and who's clueless.
Anyone who has driven both the A8 and PDK knows the A8's lag is terrible.
Read the posts in this thread from other educated GM owners like myself who experience the lag.
Even GM fan boys can't continue to deny the facts when other GM owners are telling you that the lag is terrible and the A8 doesn't even come CLOSE to PDK.
Now, let's see how the mods address the personal attack and obvious trolling above.
In the meantime, EVERYONE who has driven a PDK knows I'm telling the truth and who's clueless.
Case in point... I currently own a PDK equipped Porsche Turbo S and I have driven A8 Corvette couple times. By driven I mean in anger @ Autobahn just like in town as well.
I'll take the A8 anytime over the PDK any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The only thing I didn't like in the A8 was the rpm drop @ 5th gear. Apparently that is no longer an issue with the A10 so..... Please continue trolling. Perhaps the mods will take measure and ban your trolling *** asap.
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05-12-2016, 07:42 PM
#31
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It has nothing to do with drag racing, many fast drag cars have 2 speed powerglides and they dont shift as fast as a modern DCT.
The A8, and A6 and A4 were plenty fast in a drag race. What the A8 (or any other torque converter auto) doesnt have is that instant response from the paddles at all RPM and throttle levels like a real DCT. Whether its .01 or .02 second to make a shift is not a huge thing, not like the car stops when it makes a shift
I've owned PDKs and BMW DCTs, while they have their little issues there is no mistaking the difference between them and a torque converter auto.
The A8, and A6 and A4 were plenty fast in a drag race. What the A8 (or any other torque converter auto) doesnt have is that instant response from the paddles at all RPM and throttle levels like a real DCT. Whether its .01 or .02 second to make a shift is not a huge thing, not like the car stops when it makes a shift
I've owned PDKs and BMW DCTs, while they have their little issues there is no mistaking the difference between them and a torque converter auto.
If you have more than enough power you can drag race with no transmission and just control the multiple clutch plates slip like AA/Fuel cars!
Actually I liked the continuously variable trans (CVT) in our Nissan Murano. Fortunately we didn't keep it very long to have issues with reliability!
Last edited by JerryU; 05-12-2016 at 07:44 PM.
05-12-2016, 07:43 PM
#32
Its got the same dimensions as the A8. It does not have 2 more gears...its got 2 more gear ratios. Search the C7 Z06 section for Glass Slippers posts. He provided a wealth of knowledge on the subject.
Last edited by Lavender; 05-12-2016 at 07:44 PM.
05-12-2016, 07:44 PM
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05-12-2016, 07:51 PM
#35
Team Owner
In other news GM announces their new A10 is on par performance wise with the best dual clutch on the planet.
Because we made the case out of metal, just like Porsche.
That is about as good of a statement as what GM puts out about shift speed.
Because we made the case out of metal, just like Porsche.
That is about as good of a statement as what GM puts out about shift speed.
05-12-2016, 07:59 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Lavender
I told you to be careful. You got your *** handed back to you quite a few times @ C6 forums so you moved to troll here.
Case in point... I currently own a PDK equipped Porsche Turbo S and I have driven A8 Corvette couple times. By driven I mean in anger @ Autobahn just like in town as well.
I'll take the A8 anytime over the PDK any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The only thing I didn't like in the A8 was the rpm drop @ 5th gear. Apparently that is no longer an issue with the A10 so..... Please continue trolling. Perhaps the mods will take measure and ban your trolling *** asap.
Case in point... I currently own a PDK equipped Porsche Turbo S and I have driven A8 Corvette couple times. By driven I mean in anger @ Autobahn just like in town as well.
I'll take the A8 anytime over the PDK any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The only thing I didn't like in the A8 was the rpm drop @ 5th gear. Apparently that is no longer an issue with the A10 so..... Please continue trolling. Perhaps the mods will take measure and ban your trolling *** asap.
Smoothness I can see as a torque converter is always smoother, but anyone who is a fan of a manual transmission would accept a dual clutch before a torque converter for shift speed and torque transmission from engine to driveline.
05-12-2016, 08:25 PM
#37
I told you to be careful. You got your *** handed back to you quite a few times @ C6 forums so you moved to troll here.
Case in point... I currently own a PDK equipped Porsche Turbo S and I have driven A8 Corvette couple times. By driven I mean in anger @ Autobahn just like in town as well.
I'll take the A8 anytime over the PDK any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The only thing I didn't like in the A8 was the rpm drop @ 5th gear. Apparently that is no longer an issue with the A10 so..... Please continue trolling. Perhaps the mods will take measure and ban your trolling *** asap.
Case in point... I currently own a PDK equipped Porsche Turbo S and I have driven A8 Corvette couple times. By driven I mean in anger @ Autobahn just like in town as well.
I'll take the A8 anytime over the PDK any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The only thing I didn't like in the A8 was the rpm drop @ 5th gear. Apparently that is no longer an issue with the A10 so..... Please continue trolling. Perhaps the mods will take measure and ban your trolling *** asap.
The fact that your personally attacking and trolling, while crying for a moderation, is laughable and ironic.
05-12-2016, 08:52 PM
#38
05-12-2016, 09:40 PM
#39
I think you're in the minority on liking torque converter automatics to dual clutch automatics.
Smoothness I can see as a torque converter is always smoother, but anyone who is a fan of a manual transmission would accept a dual clutch before a torque converter for shift speed and torque transmission from engine to driveline.
Smoothness I can see as a torque converter is always smoother, but anyone who is a fan of a manual transmission would accept a dual clutch before a torque converter for shift speed and torque transmission from engine to driveline.
05-12-2016, 09:41 PM
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