GS vs. 911 Motor Trend review
10-18-2016, 11:56 AM
#21
Go Canes!
Look at the price as tested...
140K vs 92K
First, what GS is selling for 92K?
The Vette wins hands down IMO. Let's see Porsche put out something at close to 100K that can match with the Vette.
140K vs 92K
First, what GS is selling for 92K?
The Vette wins hands down IMO. Let's see Porsche put out something at close to 100K that can match with the Vette.
10-18-2016, 11:57 AM
#22
^^^^ Hello I paid $20K less for my G/S a bargain indeed!!!!
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10-18-2016, 12:13 PM
#23
Pro
I'm sorry; but, not sure what the points are in comparing 2 cars where one is more than 50 percent more expensive than the other? Trying to give the P-car a chance to look good? Price should be the primary comparison factor and, accordingly, a top optioned ZO6 should be used against this 911.
The GS or the Z51 should only be compared against cars that are in the same price range. Porsche has some "lower" priced models which would be better fit for such comparisons.
The GS or the Z51 should only be compared against cars that are in the same price range. Porsche has some "lower" priced models which would be better fit for such comparisons.
10-18-2016, 12:18 PM
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10-18-2016, 12:33 PM
#26
Le Mans Master
What are you talking about??? The video is of a grandsport and a 911. No z06.
Although for the price of that ugly smurf pos you can get a 17' fully loaded z06 and murder the living **** out of the 911 in every aspect of performance.
Only reason the 911 has such a fast 1/4 mile is because the rear engine is good for launching and the double clutch tranny. It woulda been a lot closer if the 911 was manual.
Although for the price of that ugly smurf pos you can get a 17' fully loaded z06 and murder the living **** out of the 911 in every aspect of performance.
Only reason the 911 has such a fast 1/4 mile is because the rear engine is good for launching and the double clutch tranny. It woulda been a lot closer if the 911 was manual.
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10-18-2016, 12:38 PM
#27
Le Mans Master
Porsche knew when they switched to smaller displacement and turbo they'd have to dial it up an notch in their numbers to keep people excited. Unbelievable 3.1 seconds. Goes to show how great their SMT is.
Was anyone else surprised by the use of the term "magnetorheological adaptive dampers"
Was anyone else surprised by the use of the term "magnetorheological adaptive dampers"
10-18-2016, 12:55 PM
#29
Melting Slicks
Something is off with the Porsche numbers. I can't fathom that big of a delta from 2014 when the car had 400 HP and it did the quarter in 12.4 @ 116 and 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
10-18-2016, 12:55 PM
#30
Magazine shoot-outs are interesting, but not to be taken too seriously.
There are so many variables going into the times (tires, temps, drivers, etc.) as to make an actual straight up comparison impossible.
There are so many variables going into the times (tires, temps, drivers, etc.) as to make an actual straight up comparison impossible.
10-18-2016, 12:58 PM
#31
It is an odd comparison if you really think about it. I know some people have this need to put the two cars together, but very much an apples to oranges situation.
We all know the Porsche is going to trump the Corvette in fit/finish and chassis refinement. The esoteric "fun factor" is so subjective one wonders if that is even a valid metric. The GS corners better, but used R compound tires to do so.
Now I love my GS, but I don't feel the need to compare it to anything; it can beat a lot of cars well above its price range in terms of many performance figures. The Corvette also has a lot of character, but could you make that argument for the 911, or because it's more settled, does that make Porsches boring?
As for the lower mileage, the GS is a bit heavier and has more rolling resistance from wider tires; the aero and wider body do have some impact, though I'm not sure if those figures count the base aero or stage II.
We all know the Porsche is going to trump the Corvette in fit/finish and chassis refinement. The esoteric "fun factor" is so subjective one wonders if that is even a valid metric. The GS corners better, but used R compound tires to do so.
Now I love my GS, but I don't feel the need to compare it to anything; it can beat a lot of cars well above its price range in terms of many performance figures. The Corvette also has a lot of character, but could you make that argument for the 911, or because it's more settled, does that make Porsches boring?
As for the lower mileage, the GS is a bit heavier and has more rolling resistance from wider tires; the aero and wider body do have some impact, though I'm not sure if those figures count the base aero or stage II.
10-18-2016, 01:03 PM
#34
Something is off with the Porsche numbers. I can't fathom that big of a delta from 2014 when the car had 400 HP and it did the quarter in 12.4 @ 116 and 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
Yeah something is definitely off I would agree, Porsche themselves are quoting 3.7s to 60 with SportChrono and PDK:
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera-s/
and while they typically are conservative, it is not by 0.6s.
10-18-2016, 01:14 PM
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10-18-2016, 01:24 PM
#36
bingo ^
10-18-2016, 01:31 PM
#37
And they should.
I respect Porsche's racing history, but that's about it.
When performance comparisons are not made without numbers, it's simply personal bias...which is why the mag stuff should be taken with a very large grain of salt.
but in the sportscar world it is well respected.
Well, the Porsche fanbois think the C7 is a 'Seiko' compared to the 911 being a 'Tag'.
Tag's are actually a poor-man's Rolex. LOL.
I also love the comments about the 'feel' of driving a 911. What does that mean exactly? Is a device massaging the driver's prostrate for God's sake?
Tag's are actually a poor-man's Rolex. LOL.
I also love the comments about the 'feel' of driving a 911. What does that mean exactly? Is a device massaging the driver's prostrate for God's sake?
Something is off with the Porsche numbers. I can't fathom that big of a delta from 2014 when the car had 400 HP and it did the quarter in 12.4 @ 116 and 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
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10-18-2016, 01:43 PM
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10-18-2016, 02:08 PM
#39
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It may not be exactly on par, but the GT4 can be had for under 100k, and is pretty damn close to Grandsport territory on a track. I could not care less about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times for either car as neither were designed to be dragstrip warriors but rather track toys.
10-18-2016, 02:18 PM
#40
Burning Brakes
Generally, I read car mag comparos with more than a little cynicism, and this was no different. That said, they raised good points and negatives for each that I believe hold true, having driven both. Picking a winner is a personal choice as both are excellent cars. However, I did enjoy the comparison of the Porsche being Niki Lauda to the Corvette's Dale Earnhart. That resonated with me.
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