Aero lift over 120 mph
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Aero lift over 120 mph
I'm getting a floatiness or aero lift feeling in the steering when over 120 mph. Is this normal?
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12-26-2016, 07:10 AM
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C7 base = +0.20 Lift Coefficient (+ = LIFT)
Z51 = + 0.03 Lift Coefficient (~Neutral)
Z06 Base2 = -0.03 Lift Coefficient (~Neutral)
Z06 Stage 2 = -0.152 Lift Coefficient (Downforce)
Z06 Stage 3 = -0.279 Lift Coefficient (Downforce)
So if you have the Base C7 you will get some lift.
If you removed the center air dam on a Bse C7 you increased front end lift at speed.
If you want more front end downforce and have a Z51, add a center air dam. It was removed by GM to avoid excess downforce and oversteer at ~150 mph!
You can lower the front end on factory bolts. That will increase front end downforce with any model. See post #8; good info.
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Downforce increases? Our Z51 actually feels better planted at higher speeds over 120.
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What mode are you in? Track or sport will help with that.
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Which version of the car are you driving? Are all your air dams intact?
I found on the few times I took it that high, it felt like it was being sucked down (firmly planted), not lifted up.
I found on the few times I took it that high, it felt like it was being sucked down (firmly planted), not lifted up.
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I have not noticed this in my 15 Z51, it feels solid all the way to 150 which is the fastest I've gone so far.
How many miles on your car and what model is it? If it feels unstable you may need to have dealer check the alignment.
How many miles on your car and what model is it? If it feels unstable you may need to have dealer check the alignment.
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My Z-51 has that feel when I am in Touring mode and accelerate up to 110+ cresting a slight hill. Not an issue if in Sport or Track. Check your modes. Oh -- only drive that fast on a sanctioned track day.
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High Speed Lift is very real in these C7's
Lower the front end using your ride-height "adjustment" screws. I also added a splitter.
At a one mile race, a spectator told me my front end raised up at the finish line and he proved it with a picture from his cell phone. I lowered the front end about 3/8" and added a splitter (WeaponX). I initially felt the splitter would slow me down. I ran 6 mph faster during the next run and the car was "level". I asked the spectator to take another pic.
At a one mile race, a spectator told me my front end raised up at the finish line and he proved it with a picture from his cell phone. I lowered the front end about 3/8" and added a splitter (WeaponX). I initially felt the splitter would slow me down. I ran 6 mph faster during the next run and the car was "level". I asked the spectator to take another pic.
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15 Z51. I have no issues what so ever up to 150 in sport mode. Solid as a rock. What model do you have? If it is a base the mode your in won't make much difference in so far as suspension with out MRC.
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If you're on a smooth road, why would it matter what mode you're in, you don't have active aero that is only activated while in certain modes?
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No "floatiness" or aero lift feeling in the steering when over 120 mph. I have a non Z51 and no splitter.
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Non-z51 Stingray / 1300 mi. Would track mode make any difference?
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C7 base = +0.20 Lift Coefficient (+ = LIFT)
Z51 = + 0.03 Lift Coefficient (~Neutral)
Z06 Base2 = -0.03 Lift Coefficient (~Neutral)
Z06 Stage 2 = -0.152 Lift Coefficient (Downforce)
Z06 Stage 3 = -0.279 Lift Coefficient (Downforce)
So if you have the Base C7 you will get some lift.
If you removed the center air dam on a Bse C7 you increased front end lift at speed.
If you want more front end downforce and have a Z51, add a center air dam. It was removed by GM to avoid excess downforce and oversteer at ~150 mph!
You can lower the front end on factory bolts. That will increase front end downforce with any model. See post #8; good info.
Last edited by JerryU; 12-26-2016 at 07:15 AM.
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Even the base car changes steering response and engine fuel scheduling going from tour to track mode. My 2014 convertible had no tendency to float at speeds up to 120 mph.
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Originally Posted by Har-ray
Non-z51 Stingray / 1300 mi. Would track mode make any difference?
With low miles there should not be any issues with wear on any components.
Read the response that gives the various drag coefficient numbers and that explains it all. Base model without magnetic ride can expect some lift at speed where Z51 and others have better downforce and would experience less lift.
The magnetic ride is really great and I personally would not buy a Corvette without it if you ever expect to go fast.
If you feel the lift is excessive and unsafe I would go to the dealer to have it looked at, with the low miles an alignment check would be covered under warranty and they can verify there is nothing wrong up front. But based on the information from the other post about drag numbers it seems what you are experiencing is expected.
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My take on it is, absent any needed parts being missing/damaged on your car, I'd look into the actual ride height at all four corners---not necessarily automatically "lowering.". And, while doing that check, I might get a corner-weighted balance and alignment. I'd also check (the first and least-expensive thing to do) your cold-condition, tire pressure. It wouldn't surprise me that one or more of the above are out on your car.
Here's an article to read. http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...pecifications/
Here's an article to read. http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...pecifications/
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What is the significance of the CE numbers? For example: .20
.20 of what? inches, centimeters, etc. Thanks.
.20 of what? inches, centimeters, etc. Thanks.
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Lower the front end using your ride-height "adjustment" screws. I also added a splitter.
At a one mile race, a spectator told me my front end raised up at the finish line and he proved it with a picture from his cell phone. I lowered the front end about 3/8" and added a splitter (WeaponX). I initially felt the splitter would slow me down. I ran 6 mph faster during the next run and the car was "level". I asked the spectator to take another pic.
At a one mile race, a spectator told me my front end raised up at the finish line and he proved it with a picture from his cell phone. I lowered the front end about 3/8" and added a splitter (WeaponX). I initially felt the splitter would slow me down. I ran 6 mph faster during the next run and the car was "level". I asked the spectator to take another pic.
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My take on it is, absent any needed parts being missing/damaged on your car, I'd look into the actual ride height at all four corners---not necessarily automatically "lowering.". And, while doing that check, I might get a corner-weighted balance and alignment. I'd also check (the first and least-expensive thing to do) your cold-condition, tire pressure. It wouldn't surprise me that one or more of the above are out on your car.
Here's an article to read. http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...pecifications/
Here's an article to read. http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...pecifications/
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On another note, the Base C7 does not have a rear Sway bar and I would install Front & Rear Z51 Sway Bars.
They will help Stabilize the handling with very little affect on ride quality.
Do a search and you'll see many do this to their Base C7.
$300-#400.00 for the complete setup depending if you do it yourself or have them installed.
I did it when I had a C6 base with MRC and it made a very noticeable improvement in overall handling with less lean and less floating.
Especially under hard acceleration and higher speeds.
Good luck whatever you decide