DSC Sport Magnetic Shock controller observations
#281
I've never seen this amount of consensus in a car forum in my life, and I don't ever expect to see it again. It's uncanny how just about everyone describes the level of improvement in almost identical ways.
#282
Former Vendor
It really is cool Im actually quite impressed that does not happen too often
#283
Safety Car
Thread Starter
A good number of people have asked about tire wear using the DSC recommended alignment settings.
A week ago I had new MPSS ZP tires installed on my 2017 C7Z. I ran the original OEM tires with the DSC TRACK alignment since the 500 mile mark. I had the DSC TRACK alignment done at the same time as the 500 mile oil change.
My rear tires wore exactly even, inside to outside. No variance at all.
My fronts were down to 2/32 on the inside and 5/32 on the outside. A variance of 3/32. Very acceptable for me and the way I use the car. I'm willing to give up some front tire wear for the better performance realized.
FWIW, I didn't do any track days with the TRACK alignment. All street miles, however, rather aggressive street miles.
If you want maximum tire life I suggest you have the DSC TRACK settings on the rear and the DSC street/track settings on the front.
A week ago I had new MPSS ZP tires installed on my 2017 C7Z. I ran the original OEM tires with the DSC TRACK alignment since the 500 mile mark. I had the DSC TRACK alignment done at the same time as the 500 mile oil change.
My rear tires wore exactly even, inside to outside. No variance at all.
My fronts were down to 2/32 on the inside and 5/32 on the outside. A variance of 3/32. Very acceptable for me and the way I use the car. I'm willing to give up some front tire wear for the better performance realized.
FWIW, I didn't do any track days with the TRACK alignment. All street miles, however, rather aggressive street miles.
If you want maximum tire life I suggest you have the DSC TRACK settings on the rear and the DSC street/track settings on the front.
Last edited by rikhek; 02-16-2017 at 07:56 PM.
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#284
How many miles did you get out of them?
#286
Yes, they were obviously very aggressive street miles.
#287
Melting Slicks
Hey Rick,
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
Last edited by spearfish25; 02-17-2017 at 06:21 AM.
#288
Former Vendor
Hey Rick,
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
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#290
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Hey Rick,
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
If you're not tracking the car I'd think you'd still get better street performance with less camber. What you gain in cornering you're losing in braking. I'd bet if you dialed things back to -1.5 you'd wear the tires more evenly and never notice the difference on the street.
I'm running -1.5 at all four corners and the tires are wearing evenly despite both street driving and track driving. I was going to increase the neg camber but it doesn't seem necessary at least with the super sports.
I'll be on track next Sunday with the new tires and will closely measure wear and tire temps. Based upon what I see and your results/comments I may very well go to -1.5 on the front. I think you might be correct that it will be a better setting for my usage.
It will be interesting to see how the rears wear with my current track settings on the track. As mentioned earlier they wore perfectly when subjected to aggressive non-track driving. They might not wear as well when driven at 9/10 on the track.
Your willingness to share data/results is one of the good things about this forum. Not too many people driving the cars hard enough to generate and acquire this type of data which is needed to make informed/educated decisions.
Rick
#291
Safety Car
Thread Starter
I should note I very rarely drive my cars in town or just cruising around. I don't use it to go out to dinner, run errands, etc. When it leaves the garage it's going to get driven.
On a lighter note, just for the hell of it I went to Discount Tire to see if I could get some help from Michelin on new tires under their 15,000 mileage warranty.
A full set of new MPSS ZP at DT was $1,750. Michelin was surprised I only got 4,700 miles out of a set and said maybe I got some out of a "bad" batch. I said, yeah, that must be what happened....
They stood behind their warranty and paid $970 towards the new set. I paid $780. Kudos to Michelin.
Rick
Last edited by rikhek; 02-17-2017 at 11:50 AM.
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cheapthrills (02-17-2017)
#292
Melting Slicks
Our tires have a 15k mile warranty?
#293
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Yes. Actually 30k mile warranty. However, since they are staggered (i.e. 19" & 20") the warranty is cut in half to 15,000 miles.
Also, if there is more than a 2/32 differential across the tire, inside to outside, the warranty is void.
Discount Tire (DT) measured my fronts at a 3/32 differential so they said Michelin wouldn't do anything for the fronts. DT also only offered a 50% discount on my rears which wore evenly.
I wasn't happy about this so I called Michelin directly to discuss in a cordial manner. Michelin ended up offering to pay 50% for the fronts and 60% for the rears. One phone call saved me a bunch of money.
Michelin actually should have paid ~69% (i.e., 4,700/15,000 = 31%) for my rears as the warranty is prorated. However, since they really didn't need to do anything to help me with the fronts but paid 50% I wasn't going to squabble.
Rick
Also, if there is more than a 2/32 differential across the tire, inside to outside, the warranty is void.
Discount Tire (DT) measured my fronts at a 3/32 differential so they said Michelin wouldn't do anything for the fronts. DT also only offered a 50% discount on my rears which wore evenly.
I wasn't happy about this so I called Michelin directly to discuss in a cordial manner. Michelin ended up offering to pay 50% for the fronts and 60% for the rears. One phone call saved me a bunch of money.
Michelin actually should have paid ~69% (i.e., 4,700/15,000 = 31%) for my rears as the warranty is prorated. However, since they really didn't need to do anything to help me with the fronts but paid 50% I wasn't going to squabble.
Rick
#294
Lime rock green will return because nobody realized until now how beautiful it is
#295
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by rikhek
I've never gotten over 7,500 miles out of a set of tires on my C6Z or modified C5. Apparently I'm going to be getting even less out of the C7Z.
I should note I very rarely drive my cars in town or just cruising around. I don't use it to go out to dinner, run errands, etc. When it leaves the garage it's going to get driven.
On a lighter note, just for the hell of it I went to Discount Tire to see if I could get some help from Michelin on new tires under their 15,000 mileage warranty.
A full set of new MPSS ZP at DT was $1,750. Michelin was surprised I only got 4,700 miles out of a set and said maybe I got some out of a "bad" batch. I said, yeah, that must be what happened....
They stood behind their warranty and paid $970 towards the new set. I paid $780. Kudos to Michelin.
Rick
I should note I very rarely drive my cars in town or just cruising around. I don't use it to go out to dinner, run errands, etc. When it leaves the garage it's going to get driven.
On a lighter note, just for the hell of it I went to Discount Tire to see if I could get some help from Michelin on new tires under their 15,000 mileage warranty.
A full set of new MPSS ZP at DT was $1,750. Michelin was surprised I only got 4,700 miles out of a set and said maybe I got some out of a "bad" batch. I said, yeah, that must be what happened....
They stood behind their warranty and paid $970 towards the new set. I paid $780. Kudos to Michelin.
Rick
Last edited by spearfish25; 02-17-2017 at 04:03 PM.
#296
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Thread Starter
Matter-of-fact, I'll be on track next Sunday.
I'm actually sort of proud. I think I was the first forum member to ever track a C7Z. I was one of the first to take delivery of a 2015.
Last edited by rikhek; 02-17-2017 at 04:30 PM.
#298
I love seeing these reactions. As I've said several times before, it's hard to believe until you experience the difference in your own car.
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Skid Row Joe (02-18-2017)
#299
Re: Dsc?
I'm following this thread, b/c, I'll only accept/buy a C7 with MSRC.
Now for the stupid Q: Does the DSC system, take over and enhance the existing magnetic ride system's performance/capability?
Whereas, the DSC, is the replacement brain, of the MSRC's brain, if you will?
Now for the stupid Q: Does the DSC system, take over and enhance the existing magnetic ride system's performance/capability?
Whereas, the DSC, is the replacement brain, of the MSRC's brain, if you will?
#300
Yes Joe, that's exactly right.
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