C7 General Discussion General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Sway bars

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-28-2017, 11:35 AM
  #1  
jim spitzer
Pro
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
jim spitzer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2011
Location: leesburg fl
Posts: 703
Received 74 Likes on 49 Posts
St. Jude Donor '12
Default Sway bars

My car is a 2017 2lt vert. Looking under the car in the rear I can see the spot where the sway bar mounts, empty bolt holes. I only drive my car to breakfast and short trips to the store when my truck is not needed.
My question is would it be worth having the Z-51 sway bars put on the car. Mainly in the back so it dont look like its missing a part.
Old 05-28-2017, 01:14 PM
  #2  
iclick
Melting Slicks

 
iclick's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2013
Location: Baton Rouge LA
Posts: 3,104
Received 618 Likes on 420 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by jim spitzer
My car is a 2017 2lt vert. Looking under the car in the rear I can see the spot where the sway bar mounts, empty bolt holes. I only drive my car to breakfast and short trips to the store when my truck is not needed.
My question is would it be worth having the Z-51 sway bars put on the car. Mainly in the back so it dont look like its missing a part.
I wouldn't buy a rear bar just to fill a cosmetic void under the car where likely only you will notice. You could add only a Z51 rear bar without causing any adverse handling issues. I did it on my 2015 and there's a recent discussion of this topic here.

The ride will be a bit stiffer in the rear, but handling will be snappier, body roll decreased, and understeer at the limit reduced. The dealer likely won't do the job for you since there are liability issues involved for suspension mods that are not strictly in accordance with factory specs, so you'll probably have to get the parts and DIY or go to an indy for the service work. I would leave it alone unless you find the handling prowess of the car lacking.

Last edited by iclick; 05-28-2017 at 01:16 PM.
Old 05-29-2017, 01:43 AM
  #3  
toolking
Drifting
 
toolking's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 1,651
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

After our trip home from Museum delivery (12 Days 3500 miles) I had Z51 bars installed on our Lt2 coupe for all the reasons mentioned above. The over-steer was particularly noticeable when the rear storage area was fully loaded. Just finished a 3700 mile road trip and the difference was easily noticeable particularly when in touring mode. Its a great compromise between touring and sport, with the softer ride of touring.
Old 05-29-2017, 08:01 AM
  #4  
LIStingray
Melting Slicks
 
LIStingray's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2013
Location: Long Island New York
Posts: 2,299
Received 461 Likes on 284 Posts
Default

I wouldn't do it just for the cosmetics.
I also wouldn't add just the rear Z51 bar - that is a recipe for disaster if you aren't comfortable with oversteer.
The C7, in every configuration (base, Z51, GS & Z06) is set up to understeer just a little - which is generally regarded as the safest set-up for non-experienced racers (and just ordinary folks).
The base car goes from a car that understeers a fair bit without bars to neutral with the front & rear Z51 bars added. If you add just the rear bar from the Z51, the car will oversteer, which can result in spins.
Btw - the feeling of sway in the rear that many on this forum advocating for just adding the Z51 rear bar feel is not oversteer, which you can only feel as you get to the actual limit of control (car dances) and confirm after you exceed the limit and the car breaks free - is nothing more than what it is - rear sway.
Also, keep in mind the car was tuned with nothing in the rear trunk/storage area, so if you add weight there, the back end will feel heavier.

Last edited by LIStingray; 05-29-2017 at 08:01 AM.
The following users liked this post:
jim spitzer (05-30-2017)
Old 05-30-2017, 04:08 PM
  #5  
iclick
Melting Slicks

 
iclick's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2013
Location: Baton Rouge LA
Posts: 3,104
Received 618 Likes on 420 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by LIStingray
I wouldn't do it just for the cosmetics.
I also wouldn't add just the rear Z51 bar - that is a recipe for disaster if you aren't comfortable with oversteer....If you add just the rear bar from the Z51, the car will oversteer, which can result in spins.
My 2015 did not manifest oversteer as long as you didn't induce it with a heavy application of throttle, so I'm not sure what evidence you reference with this statement. You can induce power oversteer in any stock C7 configuration, but what we should be concerned with is unexpected non-power oversteer, which can be dangerous in the wrong hands. That's why most (all?) car manufacturers engineer understeer in all their car models as a safety measure.

Read the thread I cited earlier and you'll find another owner who did some extensive experimenting with different bars, including two rear-only setups, and found all to understeer. He even tried an MSRC rear bar only, which is even larger, and still wasn't happy with the result. He finally ended up buying an adjustable aftermarket brand.

If you have some empirical evidence that shows that a stock Stingray with an added Z51 non-MSRC rear bar added will produce non-power oversteer I'd like to see it.
Old 05-30-2017, 04:55 PM
  #6  
Trihawk
Advanced
 
Trihawk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2014
Posts: 92
Received 20 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jim spitzer
My car is a 2017 2lt vert. Looking under the car in the rear I can see the spot where the sway bar mounts, empty bolt holes. I only drive my car to breakfast and short trips to the store when my truck is not needed.
My question is would it be worth having the Z-51 sway bars put on the car. Mainly in the back so it dont look like its missing a part.
I upgraded my base car with front and back z51 sways immediately after autocrossing in the base configuration: the amount of body roll and understeer (base) sucked all the fun out of it. With ordinary driving I can not tell the difference; the ride certainly is NOT harsher. There is noticeably less roll when cornering on/off ramps which is nice. Personally I do not want to experience under/oversteer situations on the street, sounds like with your type of driving it will not be an issue either. I will be autocrossing in a couple of weeks and am eager to see how things go with the new sway bars.
.

Last edited by Trihawk; 05-30-2017 at 05:09 PM.
Old 05-30-2017, 05:03 PM
  #7  
stevebz06
Melting Slicks
 
stevebz06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,075
Received 304 Likes on 205 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by LIStingray
I wouldn't do it just for the cosmetics.
I also wouldn't add just the rear Z51 bar - that is a recipe for disaster if you aren't comfortable with oversteer.
The C7, in every configuration (base, Z51, GS & Z06) is set up to understeer just a little - which is generally regarded as the safest set-up for non-experienced racers (and just ordinary folks).
The base car goes from a car that understeers a fair bit without bars to neutral with the front & rear Z51 bars added. If you add just the rear bar from the Z51, the car will oversteer, which can result in spins.
Btw - the feeling of sway in the rear that many on this forum advocating for just adding the Z51 rear bar feel is not oversteer, which you can only feel as you get to the actual limit of control (car dances) and confirm after you exceed the limit and the car breaks free - is nothing more than what it is - rear sway.
Also, keep in mind the car was tuned with nothing in the rear trunk/storage area, so if you add weight there, the back end will feel heavier.
I think this answer is closest to what you should listen to. If you're going to put a Z51 sway bar on the rear, then I would probably put one on the front, as well.

I wouldn't really recommend making a lot of changes to the car's suspension unless you have experience tuning chassis, or at least a big skidpad where you can test. Pick up a book from Carroll Smith called "Tune to Win."
The following users liked this post:
jim spitzer (05-30-2017)
Old 05-30-2017, 05:28 PM
  #8  
jim spitzer
Pro
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
jim spitzer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2011
Location: leesburg fl
Posts: 703
Received 74 Likes on 49 Posts
St. Jude Donor '12
Default

Originally Posted by LIStingray
I wouldn't do it just for the cosmetics.
I also wouldn't add just the rear Z51 bar - that is a recipe for disaster if you aren't comfortable with oversteer.
The C7, in every configuration (base, Z51, GS & Z06) is set up to understeer just a little - which is generally regarded as the safest set-up for non-experienced racers (and just ordinary folks).
The base car goes from a car that understeers a fair bit without bars to neutral with the front & rear Z51 bars added. If you add just the rear bar from the Z51, the car will oversteer, which can result in spins.
Btw - the feeling of sway in the rear that many on this forum advocating for just adding the Z51 rear bar feel is not oversteer, which you can only feel as you get to the actual limit of control (car dances) and confirm after you exceed the limit and the car breaks free - is nothing more than what it is - rear sway.
Also, keep in mind the car was tuned with nothing in the rear trunk/storage area, so if you add weight there, the back end will feel heavier.
The way I drive my car I will just not mess with it. but I may put a couple bolts in the bolt holes under the car just so it dont look like a missing part, (sounds like I have to much time on my hands , right)
Old 05-30-2017, 08:24 PM
  #9  
TEXHAWK0
Le Mans Master
 
TEXHAWK0's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Longview Texas
Posts: 8,847
Received 787 Likes on 539 Posts

Default

Only install sway bars in matching pairs. Different shocks will probably do more for the handling than changing sway bars.
Old 05-31-2017, 09:30 PM
  #10  
Gene Culley
Premium Supporting Vendor
 
Gene Culley's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2006
Location: Reading PA
Posts: 30,313
Received 160 Likes on 139 Posts

Default

We sell the Z51 front & rear kit. You can checkout the thread here on the forum below.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rformance.html
__________________
Phone: 484-334-8833
Owner of CULTRAG Performance

Shop Our Factory GM Parts Website

Old 06-01-2017, 08:45 AM
  #11  
mtaxman
Burning Brakes
 
mtaxman's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2015
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 971
Received 335 Likes on 215 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by iclick
I wouldn't buy a rear bar just to fill a cosmetic void under the car where likely only you will notice. You could add only a Z51 rear bar without causing any adverse handling issues. I did it on my 2015 and there's a recent discussion of this topic here.

The dealer likely won't do the job for you since there are liability issues involved for suspension mods that are not strictly in accordance with factory specs, so you'll probably have to get the parts and DIY or go to an indy for the service work.
I think any Chev dealer will install BOTH the Z51 bars on your base - mine did.
Overall a worthy upgrade as seems to be the consensus.
Old 06-01-2017, 09:06 AM
  #12  
CRABBYJ
Safety Car
 
CRABBYJ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: SouthEast PA
Posts: 3,966
Received 1,293 Likes on 722 Posts
Unmodified C8 of the Year 2021 Finalist
2018 C7 of Year Finalist

Default

Originally Posted by mtaxman
I think any Chev dealer will install BOTH the Z51 bars on your base - mine did.
Overall a worthy upgrade as seems to be the consensus.
My dealer did too, along with a suggested four wheel alignment which was out only on the right rear.
Old 06-01-2017, 11:05 AM
  #13  
iclick
Melting Slicks

 
iclick's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2013
Location: Baton Rouge LA
Posts: 3,104
Received 618 Likes on 420 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mtaxman
I think any Chev dealer will install BOTH the Z51 bars on your base - mine did. Overall a worthy upgrade as seems to be the consensus.
When did you have your work done? I recall reading some time back that dealers were instructed by GM not to do suspension changes unless stock parts are used. When I bought my rear bar the dealer (gmpartsdirect.com) told me the only way they would sell it to me was if I provided a VIN with the Z51 option. I went on-line, found a dealer who posted VINs, and used one of those. That was in Feb. 2016.
Old 06-01-2017, 12:48 PM
  #14  
falconhulk
Pro
 
falconhulk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2016
Posts: 546
Likes: 0
Received 87 Likes on 65 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by toolking
After our trip home from Museum delivery (12 Days 3500 miles) I had Z51 bars installed on our Lt2 coupe for all the reasons mentioned above. The over-steer was particularly noticeable when the rear storage area was fully loaded. Just finished a 3700 mile road trip and the difference was easily noticeable particularly when in touring mode. Its a great compromise between touring and sport, with the softer ride of touring.


I think you are confused. What were you carrying in the back? 500lb weights that were sloshing side to side while you hit 1g corners? Installing z51 sway bars should not fix an oversteer problem on a stock c7.

Get notified of new replies

To Sway bars




Quick Reply: Sway bars



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:32 PM.