Corvette Racing at Le Mans this weekend
06-13-2017, 11:59 AM
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The frame is the stock aluminum C7 version with a full safety cage. The suspension adds custom coil overs as most track Corvettes do. The engine is a C6 LS7 block reduced to 5.5 liters. It has a modified C7 direct injection system. The transmission is replaced with a six speed sequential gear box. The only body parts in common with a C7 are the headlights, tail lights, rear bumper, and the door skins.
06-13-2017, 12:43 PM
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Yes, to this. For Le Mans, they run a different tire, and are in low downforce configuration, so lessons learned in IMSA (for the team and BoP) don't always apply though. They tested the low downforce config at Road America before shipping the cars to France.
Don't believe what you see/hear from Ford. Last year between test day and qualifying they magically "found" 5 seconds. There is no chance the changes since then have knocked off the now 6-7 seconds they are off of last year's qualifying times. Ford is probably slower than the Ferrari now, which hasn't been changed as the "Baseline" car and may rightfully complain about BoP, but they are definitely not the speed they showed on test day, and may still be faster than the Corvettes.
It will be interesting, because last year teams sandbagged the test day, and there were adjustments after qualifying when Ford and Ferrari were significantly faster during qualifying than the test day. With that lesson learned, and qualifying at a 24 hour race virtually meaningless, I wonder if anyone (cough...Ford....cough) will hide their pace in qualifying as well to get better BoP
My guess from all the adjustments as it stands now, Ferrari is the fastest, with Porsche and Ford in some order 2 and 3, and Corvette and Aston in some order 4 and 5. Good news is, the difference between the fastest and slowest will be closer this year than last. No team can make up the 5-6 seconds a lap difference last year had on pit stops and strategy (that is basically 25 minutes in a 24 hour race). But if the difference comes down to within a second or two,hopefully the race is more interesting for all manufacturers and everyone has a chance at the win.
LOL, I think BOP may well decide it. The Ford GT, which was the dominant car last year finishing 1,3 & 4 in GT-Pro, is now the slowest car in that class by a couple of seconds in testing, as a result of BOP. They both took away boost and added ballast.
I was at the COTA race in May, and they were also off the pace. Look for another adjustment soon because it looks like they've neutered that car.
I was at the COTA race in May, and they were also off the pace. Look for another adjustment soon because it looks like they've neutered that car.
It will be interesting, because last year teams sandbagged the test day, and there were adjustments after qualifying when Ford and Ferrari were significantly faster during qualifying than the test day. With that lesson learned, and qualifying at a 24 hour race virtually meaningless, I wonder if anyone (cough...Ford....cough) will hide their pace in qualifying as well to get better BoP
My guess from all the adjustments as it stands now, Ferrari is the fastest, with Porsche and Ford in some order 2 and 3, and Corvette and Aston in some order 4 and 5. Good news is, the difference between the fastest and slowest will be closer this year than last. No team can make up the 5-6 seconds a lap difference last year had on pit stops and strategy (that is basically 25 minutes in a 24 hour race). But if the difference comes down to within a second or two,hopefully the race is more interesting for all manufacturers and everyone has a chance at the win.
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06-13-2017, 01:02 PM
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Yes, to this. For Le Mans, they run a different tire, and are in low downforce configuration, so lessons learned in IMSA (for the team and BoP) don't always apply though. They tested the low downforce config at Road America before shipping the cars to France.
Don't believe what you see/hear from Ford. Last year between test day and qualifying they magically "found" 5 seconds. There is no chance the changes since then have knocked off the now 6-7 seconds they are off of last year's qualifying times. Ford is probably slower than the Ferrari now, which hasn't been changed as the "Baseline" car and may rightfully complain about BoP, but they are definitely not the speed they showed on test day, and may still be faster than the Corvettes.
It will be interesting, because last year teams sandbagged the test day, and there were adjustments after qualifying when Ford and Ferrari were significantly faster during qualifying than the test day. With that lesson learned, and qualifying at a 24 hour race virtually meaningless, I wonder if anyone (cough...Ford....cough) will hide their pace in qualifying as well to get better BoP
My guess from all the adjustments as it stands now, Ferrari is the fastest, with Porsche and Ford in some order 2 and 3, and Corvette and Aston in some order 4 and 5. Good news is, the difference between the fastest and slowest will be closer this year than last. No team can make up the 5-6 seconds a lap difference last year had on pit stops and strategy (that is basically 25 minutes in a 24 hour race). But if the difference comes down to within a second or two,hopefully the race is more interesting for all manufacturers and everyone has a chance at the win.
Don't believe what you see/hear from Ford. Last year between test day and qualifying they magically "found" 5 seconds. There is no chance the changes since then have knocked off the now 6-7 seconds they are off of last year's qualifying times. Ford is probably slower than the Ferrari now, which hasn't been changed as the "Baseline" car and may rightfully complain about BoP, but they are definitely not the speed they showed on test day, and may still be faster than the Corvettes.
It will be interesting, because last year teams sandbagged the test day, and there were adjustments after qualifying when Ford and Ferrari were significantly faster during qualifying than the test day. With that lesson learned, and qualifying at a 24 hour race virtually meaningless, I wonder if anyone (cough...Ford....cough) will hide their pace in qualifying as well to get better BoP
My guess from all the adjustments as it stands now, Ferrari is the fastest, with Porsche and Ford in some order 2 and 3, and Corvette and Aston in some order 4 and 5. Good news is, the difference between the fastest and slowest will be closer this year than last. No team can make up the 5-6 seconds a lap difference last year had on pit stops and strategy (that is basically 25 minutes in a 24 hour race). But if the difference comes down to within a second or two,hopefully the race is more interesting for all manufacturers and everyone has a chance at the win.
06-13-2017, 01:13 PM
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Excited and ready to watch a good race.
Let's try to keep Ford's sandbagging in check this time around.
Let's try to keep Ford's sandbagging in check this time around.
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06-13-2017, 01:21 PM
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IMO, it has lead to some terrific racing in the IMSA series.
It's almost impossible to predict who will win a race.
Wins seem to be determined primarily by the characteristics of particular tracks to particular cars and good old fashioned luck.
As a fan, the drama is top-notch.
Of course, YMMV.
We could talk about F1's lack of BOP and how Mercedes has won 90% of the races the last 3 years...
ABSOLUTELY right on the money.
But if the difference comes down to within a second or two,hopefully the race is more interesting for all manufacturers and everyone has a chance at the win.
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06-13-2017, 01:30 PM
#28
So do I and never said otherwise. I was commenting on the hilarity of fans of one brand complaining it's unfair when it hits them and then saying exactly the opposite when it dings the competition.
I was here about 10 years ago, when the C6R was totally dominant, then got solidly BOP'ed, which, of course precipitated a riot on this site.
Are you suggesting that Ford is the only smart team?
If you can't bluff you can't play poker.
I'm psyched as well, and will be streaming the entire 24 hrs on my big screen on Fox Sports GO.
I was here about 10 years ago, when the C6R was totally dominant, then got solidly BOP'ed, which, of course precipitated a riot on this site.
If you can't bluff you can't play poker.I'm psyched as well, and will be streaming the entire 24 hrs on my big screen on Fox Sports GO.
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06-13-2017, 01:38 PM
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Melting Slicks
As an aside (and I mentioned this after all the posts about Corvette being slow at Daytona) the difficulty with BoP at Le Mans is that it is unique with low-downforce aero and cars will hit their top end. Since the only track close to it is Daytona, the organizers don't have much data to go on for how to get Le Mans BoP correct.
WEC has actually moved to an automated BoP system this year, all done by computer program but Le Mans and its uniqueness is excluded. Will be interesting to see how that works out...
Outside of Daytona, IMSA can generally use the same formula across the rest of the races making it easier (recognizing that some cars might be a little faster at one track than another, but on whole, it can be pretty close).
WEC has actually moved to an automated BoP system this year, all done by computer program but Le Mans and its uniqueness is excluded. Will be interesting to see how that works out...
Outside of Daytona, IMSA can generally use the same formula across the rest of the races making it easier (recognizing that some cars might be a little faster at one track than another, but on whole, it can be pretty close).
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06-13-2017, 01:47 PM
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^
Excellent point!
Excellent point!
06-13-2017, 03:45 PM
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My carrier doesn't offer FS2, so that's really cool...
I'm going to have to stream it all as well. I have FS1 one though.
Let's keep this thread going throughout the weekend as the official.
I'm going to have to stream it all as well. I have FS1 one though.
Let's keep this thread going throughout the weekend as the official.
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06-13-2017, 03:59 PM
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Boost,
Go to this website on your "smart TV" or any other device:
www.foxsportsgo.com
Click on the program you want to watch, which will then take you to a login page to enter a username and pswd for your service provider, and the FoxGo website will allow you to live stream the entire 24 hours.
Go to this website on your "smart TV" or any other device:
www.foxsportsgo.com
Click on the program you want to watch, which will then take you to a login page to enter a username and pswd for your service provider, and the FoxGo website will allow you to live stream the entire 24 hours.
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06-13-2017, 06:47 PM
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Well, check what I said above. It does work great on a lap top or mobile device, but when I tried to open the Fox Sports Go website on my Samsung Smart TV, it loads, then says "browser not supported." I'm going to speculate that they don't want it being used on big screen TVs because it would take away from viewing their regular feed on FS1 or FS2, the latter of which Comcast/Xfinity does not subscribe to.
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06-13-2017, 08:32 PM
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Well, check what I said above. It does work great on a lap top or mobile device, but when I tried to open the Fox Sports Go website on my Samsung Smart TV, it loads, then says "browser not supported." I going to speculate that they don't want it being used on big screen TVs because it would take away from viewing their regular feed on FS1 or FS2, the latter of which Comcast/Xfinity does not subscribe to.
06-13-2017, 08:36 PM
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Melting Slicks
Well, check what I said above. It does work great on a lap top or mobile device, but when I tried to open the Fox Sports Go website on my Samsung Smart TV, it loads, then says "browser not supported." I going to speculate that they don't want it being used on big screen TVs because it would take away from viewing their regular feed on FS1 or FS2, the latter of which Comcast/Xfinity does not subscribe to.
I often find it easiest to just run an hdmi cable from the laptop to the tv though, easier to login and switch cameras and such.
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06-13-2017, 09:07 PM
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Well, check what I said above. It does work great on a lap top or mobile device, but when I tried to open the Fox Sports Go website on my Samsung Smart TV, it loads, then says "browser not supported." I going to speculate that they don't want it being used on big screen TVs because it would take away from viewing their regular feed on FS1 or FS2, the latter of which Comcast/Xfinity does not subscribe to.
06-13-2017, 09:14 PM
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Well, check what I said above. It does work great on a lap top or mobile device, but when I tried to open the Fox Sports Go website on my Samsung Smart TV, it loads, then says "browser not supported." I going to speculate that they don't want it being used on big screen TVs because it would take away from viewing their regular feed on FS1 or FS2, the latter of which Comcast/Xfinity does not subscribe to.
I have Comcast as well, they suck. Who doesn't carry FS2?? Uverse, Dish and Direct TV do...
