BooSSted

Screw Kerbeck ...
If you must deal with a large volume dealer I'd steer towards MacMulkin . You should be able to shop some what local with the advertisements from other dealers. I've did that for my past two purchases and they've both beat Kerbeck & MacMulkin.

Nate@VanBortelChevy

Sometimes the customer has a bank that the dealer does not work with and in this case can't always match. Dealers are at the mercy of what rates the banks provide. But, we would at-least call the banks we work with and ask them to match the rate. It is just pure laziness on the dealer if they didn't at-least try.

thill444

If you can wait that is the smart move. Most of the high volume dealers are in the Northeast so buying in Jan-Mar is the best time. Usually they will have more deals and GM offers bigger incentives.

Silver&Blue

Ive been watching too. They changed at midnight. The "sale" ended on the 31st. Ive looking to buy this week i was debating to get 17 or 18 GS. Even though the plant is shutdown i can't believe the 17s arnt any lower. Hopefully august has incentives i wasn't about to rush my buy last week and best deals I seen where in June but i couldn't buy then

Silver&Blue

Its going to go one or two ways since the plant is shut down I think. they either will have good incentives then or they won't have any at all. depends on what the demand might be. Ive been waiting a long time to buy because I'm just now being able to afford one. Not sure I can wait 6 more months lol

Dave@Ciocca

There are no new incentives for August, just the same $500 IVCs (unless you qualify for the Private Offer). Even though sales were down for July they are still not going to put out any incentives this month.

Keep in mind, GM's customer is actually the dealer. GM wants the dealers to order cars. When dealer's inventories get to big, they stop ordering cars. To get the dealers to order more cars they put out incentives to help lower the inventory making a demand for more orders.

Since the factory doesn't need to take any orders, there's no need to help dealers lower inventory.

There may be incentives in September, but I wouldn't think you are going to see anything substantial until October and that's only if the inventory didn't reduce itself naturally during the shutdown. Even with the lack of incentives, we only sold 20 cars less in July then we did in June and June is always a better month in Corvette sales then July.

We haven't had our meeting yet to determine our pricing for the first week of August, but we will later today and there won't be any factory incentives other than the IVCs.

We do, however, still have the 1.99% for 72 months until August 15th!

Dave

KuzVette

All of the comments are spot on from my experience. I've bought one from Kerbeck (2016 Z51) and now one from Criswell, and both dealers were great to work with!

Dave from Kerbeck couldn't be more helpful and they packaged everything with little effort from me so I flew in, got the keys and went to the casino to try to win my money back for what I spent and had a great dinner!

Mike at Criswell was awesome!... In fact the entire team at Criswell was like dealing with "Family"...

Both dealers offered "bottom-line" fair pricing based on time of year and inventory on-hand. Both charged a small fee for doing the transaction being I wasn't from there. Both offer similar financing rates and term. Both experiences where "Smooth", "Professional" and most of all "NO PRESSURE"!...

Finally, it came down to who had the car with the specs I wanted. Both times I targeted a color that was discontinued and interiors that are not necessarily normal.. This time it was Criswell that had the car for me... Next time, who knows!

Do you research, and leverage forum's like this and you'll do fine for yourself.

Silver&Blue

if theres no incentives this month thats whats irritating now since yesterday you could buy an 18 for what now a 17 is at. i just now can afford to buy the vette and couldn't take advantage of those offerings. what about student or military discount. I seen on your site a 2018 GS m7 for 72 would that bring it down any.

Dave@Ciocca

Military would get you Supplier Pricing. Once you picked out an specific car we would compare our price to Supplier Price and use whichever is less.

If you are looking at a 2018, we would have to sell it for supplier pricing but on a 2017 I can discount a little more beyond you supplier certificate so that would probably be the way to go.

Dave

Silver&Blue

I'm looking for an admiral blue 2lt grand sport M7. There was a couple I seen on the website. I'll give you a call later today Dave.

JerryU

Assume summer is a great time to sell Vettes as on average Kerbeck sells ~25/week. Guess when you see you will be almost out of stock when they get delivery of the next batch of 2018's prices go up. Can't blame them.

Guessed this might happen when I ordered mine ~4 months ago! As I mentioned, it will be interesting to see what is left at the end of August mid September and what prices are!

speedlink

So Dave, how does dealer inventory vs. pricing affect ordering with museum delivery?

mschuyler

It has been my experience that ordering a car from the factory to your specifications is going to net you a smaller discount than ordering from a dealer's inventory of in-stock cars, museum delivery notwithstanding. So it appears that from a dealer's standpoint, he has a greater incentive to sell you an in-stock car than to act as a clerk and order a car to your specs. That's the reality of it, but it seems a bit odd to me when you look at how much time investment the dealer has on an ordered car versus what he has to go through to sell an in-stock car. For example, he has zero investment on dealing with the car itself, which in the case of NCM delivery he never sees. So he doesn't have to take delivery. He doesn't have to house the car. He doesn't have to advertise the car for sale. He doesn't have to borrow money to buy it in the first place. He doesn't have to spend time with the delivery. To a dealer, ordering a car is simply a clerical function, likely done largely by an "assistant" who is an hourly employee, not on commission. Now it MIGHT be that someone ordering a car is a PIA customer who has to be led painstakingly through the entire process, but I'm thinking those who order their cars are usually "pre-sold" and even have the RPO codes memorized. So generally speaking a "browser" is going to take more time than an "orderer." So I don't get it. There must be something more going on there.

mpuzach

In most cases that's exactly how it plays out and for all of the reasons Michael describes. Of notable exception is a case where a dealer is trying hard to move a car that's been in stock for an excessive period of time, to the point where they're willing to sell it at a net loss just to move it. Another thing to consider is that buyers can take advantage of GM incentives that are in place at the time of delivery. If there's an incentive available at the time the order is placed it can only be used if that incentive is still in effect at the time of delivery. For the most part, these incentives run on a calendar month basis. It's not at all unusual for big changes from one month to the next. Thus, incentives on an ordered car are likely to change from the time the car is ordered until the time the buyer takes delivery. It's highly unlikely that both events will take place during the same calendar month. There have, of course, been cases where the incentives at the time of delivery have been better than those that were in place at the time of ordering. In those cases, it's a win for the buyer.

mschuyler

Macmulkin at the time was 12% for ordered cars, 13-17% for in-stock cars. The same was true for the other forum dealers, many of whom were trying to get rid of remaining 2016's at the time. There were some VERY good deals (over 20% for red tag specials) if you were willing to take an in-stock car.

Dave@Ciocca

A lot depends on the time of year you are ordering. Someone ordering right now will be waiting till November or December for a car which is a long wait and out of the driving season for much of the country. Buying now gets you a few months to drive. So, in the case of a 2018, we would discount that order a little more than a car in stock.

Dave

Frosty

I have been planning on ordering one asap, if and when I see the big forum dealers discounts materialize that will justify my ordering instead of buying local. The cost of shipping is pretty high for me since I am in South Florida while my regional dealers never have the same level of discounts that the Kerbeck, MacMulkin, Criswell, etc dealers advertise.

What you say about the discount only being in effect at the time of delivery gives me some concern so that I may need to re-evaluate buying out of state. If I order in a month because the discount makes it cost advantageous in comparison with the shipping cost (around $1,600) or courtesy delivery cost (around $600), then this may be a false assumption that I will save any money. This open-endedness on what one could eventually end up paying for the car introduces an element of risk that bothers me. Are you sure that when you sign a purchase order and put a deposit down that the eventual final price to be paid can change arbitrarily?

Dave@Ciocca

For us, the only way your price would change is if a rebate came out that we could use on tour order and the price would go down.

Dave

CACTI 1

OP .....

nope

Tally Ho

I've bought my last three Vettes from Kerbeck and all three had substantial discounts.

My 2006 was ordered in Dec 2005 with NCM delivery with a $6K discount. At the time most of the other volume dealers were offering $2500 to $3K off. Not financed.

My 2013 427 was ordered in Aug 2012 with NCM delivery with a $12K discount and 1.34% interest for 24 mos. No one else came close.

My 2017 Z06 was an in stock car. I bought it in Oct 2016 with a $5K discount. On par with several other dealers but Kerbeck had the exact car I wanted. Not financed.