2017 Grand Sport - Cracked Rear Transmission Tunnel Section
08-23-2017, 05:16 PM
#61
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Sure. Remember, the payoff by the insurance company is not a dead loss to them: they have the car itself which can be parted out for quite a lot although of course the insurance company doesn't do this itself but sells it off to a salvage company specializing in this. The insurance guys just figure what nets them the least cost and go with that.
If you look at Ebay Motors you'll from time to time see rolling, stripped but driveable Corvette chassis that are being sold off, some of which are probably the end of a car whose other parts have been salvaged and resold.
(Also, in this particular case the $8K is what could be repaired; however, the car as a whole actually can't be safely and economically repaired and so would become a liability risk to anyone attempting to do so.)
If you look at Ebay Motors you'll from time to time see rolling, stripped but driveable Corvette chassis that are being sold off, some of which are probably the end of a car whose other parts have been salvaged and resold.
(Also, in this particular case the $8K is what could be repaired; however, the car as a whole actually can't be safely and economically repaired and so would become a liability risk to anyone attempting to do so.)
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08-23-2017, 07:47 PM
#62
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I would dump it. Plenty of C7s around to buy that can be insured and registered in all 50 states.
Salvage title would be a killer to sell it if you wanted to.
And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on the used car market, fixed someday. And is probably a good reason why I wouldn't buy a used car unless it it inspected very close.
Salvage title would be a killer to sell it if you wanted to.
And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on the used car market, fixed someday. And is probably a good reason why I wouldn't buy a used car unless it it inspected very close.
08-23-2017, 08:53 PM
#63
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There is no salvage title if the original owner buys it back. Contact Louis Gigliotti at G Speed and tell him about the damage and ask if he can weld the crack and plate the area. You may end up with your car as good as new and some cash in your pocket.
Last edited by WKMCD; 08-23-2017 at 08:54 PM.
08-23-2017, 11:10 PM
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08-23-2017, 11:35 PM
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Why not? Title is still being transferred, is it not? Pretty sure law stipulates that damages be disclosed upon title transfers.
Even so, when OP eventually sells it, he’s still obligated to disclose such damage, and legal action can result from subsequent owners if OP commits fraud by lying/concealing the previous damage, even if it’s been “repaired”.
Even so, when OP eventually sells it, he’s still obligated to disclose such damage, and legal action can result from subsequent owners if OP commits fraud by lying/concealing the previous damage, even if it’s been “repaired”.
Last edited by Kent1999; 08-23-2017 at 11:36 PM.
08-24-2017, 05:03 AM
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I have to ask how study it is to begin with if a chunk of concrete small enough to pass under the front of the car was enough to crack it, but I am not expert. Seems like it should be able to take more than that.
If that car gets totaled, it will be sold off and "repaired". The crack will get Bondo'd and they will paint it so it looks good. It will be sold for a quick buck and the seller will simply hope nothing happens. It looks too good not to have this happen.
If that car gets totaled, it will be sold off and "repaired". The crack will get Bondo'd and they will paint it so it looks good. It will be sold for a quick buck and the seller will simply hope nothing happens. It looks too good not to have this happen.
08-24-2017, 06:57 AM
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If he can't bet he can recommend someone who can!I have to ask how study it is to begin with if a chunk of concrete small enough to pass under the front of the car was enough to crack it, but I am not expert. Seems like it should be able to take more than that.
If that car gets totaled, it will be sold off and "repaired". The crack will get Bondo'd and they will paint it so it looks good. It will be sold for a quick buck and the seller will simply hope nothing happens. It looks too good not to have this happen.
If that car gets totaled, it will be sold off and "repaired". The crack will get Bondo'd and they will paint it so it looks good. It will be sold for a quick buck and the seller will simply hope nothing happens. It looks too good not to have this happen.
It is NOT that bad as I can see from the pics! Anyone skilled at aluminum welding with TIG or Pulsed MIG could weld it overhead.
Recall producing 125 Pulsed MIG welders for John Deere in Ankeny Iowa in the early 1990s! They were welding steel and to reduce welding fumes used a special product we made for them that cut fumes in half! This is not rocket science and the crack is not that deep. Can be ground out, opened up so no crack is visible and a quality weld repair made!
Agree, what I describe is doing it properly but someone might buy the car and do it with Bondo and paint!
Last edited by JerryU; 08-24-2017 at 07:04 AM.
08-24-2017, 07:17 AM
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OP you are in a unique position to make some dreams come true and pocket some extra cash.
Buy back the salvage title. Pull the engine and advertise it on PerformanceTrucks.net. Back when I had my Silverado (regular cab) I was wanting to do a 6.2L swap. I would have paid $8k for the complete engine without batting an eye.
Do they same for the transmission but I'm not sure what the market would be for that.
Finally advertise the roller on racingjunk.com. Probably could get $10-$15k from someone looking to do a promo or outlaw build.
Buy back the salvage title. Pull the engine and advertise it on PerformanceTrucks.net. Back when I had my Silverado (regular cab) I was wanting to do a 6.2L swap. I would have paid $8k for the complete engine without batting an eye.
Do they same for the transmission but I'm not sure what the market would be for that.
Finally advertise the roller on racingjunk.com. Probably could get $10-$15k from someone looking to do a promo or outlaw build.
Checked with my insurance agent who had a Harley. He laughed. Said they do right them off quickly as the parts are too expensive. Owner gets a depreciated amount, they put it in an auction and get back what they gave the owner and often much more! Found out that folks pay a a lot of money for just the Harley name plate and serial number!
Last edited by JerryU; 08-24-2017 at 07:18 AM.
08-24-2017, 10:30 AM
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Some 35 years ago, a guy I knew owned a auto salvage yard in a small remote town. He bought all the 'salvage' titles cars he could get his hands on.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, non wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, non wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
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08-24-2017, 11:12 AM
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No way I'd try to do the math here, but the impact forces of a 3800lb vehicle @ 70mph hitting a 1 or 2lb object at rest must be significant. Not to mention the friction/resistance from pinching the object between the vehicle frame and road surface. Structural aluminum is tough, but it was never designed for that kind of abuse.
08-24-2017, 11:16 AM
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Some 35 years ago, a guy I knew owned a auto salvage yard in a small remote town. He bought all the 'salvage' titles cars he could get his hands on.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, none wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, none wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
Several cops I knew got suspended, a few got indicted. After some time passed and attention died down, none got convicted of anything, not even a 3rd degree misdemeanor. All who were suspended were returned to full time status and all but one works to this day in the same city.
The one I know really well was off the job for almost 4 yrs. People would ask him where he'd been and he said he was "practicing law".
08-24-2017, 12:18 PM
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I know a bunch of cops who did the same thing in cooperation with a couple of local tow company guys. State police got involved after a random car sale to an off duty state police officer exposed the deal.
Several cops I knew got suspended, a few got indicted. After some time passed and attention died down, none got convicted of anything, not even a 3rd degree misdemeanor. All who were suspended were returned to full time status and all but one works to this day in the same city.
The one I know really well was off the job for almost 4 yrs. People would ask him where he'd been and he said he was "practicing law".
Several cops I knew got suspended, a few got indicted. After some time passed and attention died down, none got convicted of anything, not even a 3rd degree misdemeanor. All who were suspended were returned to full time status and all but one works to this day in the same city.
The one I know really well was off the job for almost 4 yrs. People would ask him where he'd been and he said he was "practicing law".
Only reason they got caught is that the guy doing the car stealing was going to the same convenience store after he stole a car to gas it up for the 200 mile drive to John's salvage yard. The guy working at the convenience store, grew suspicious when he was seeing the same black guy driving a different car every few weeks.
08-24-2017, 02:37 PM
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Some 35 years ago, a guy I knew owned a auto salvage yard in a small remote town. He bought all the 'salvage' titles cars he could get his hands on.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, non wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
He then contacted his "business associate" in a huge city 200 miles away to steal a car that was the same(including color) as a car he had a salvage title on. Then he would remove the windshield, swap out the VIN tag, replace the windshield and sell a perfect, non wrecked car, as a rebuilt car with a 'rebuilt" title. He would then part out the wrecked car, and send what was left to the crusher.
A bunch of people bought a "rebuilt" car from him that had never actually been wrecked. But once he was caught and they traced those "rebuilt" titles to the unsuspecting owners of those cars, they had to give them up to the insurance companies as they were stolen cars.
PS- I didn't know what he was up to, until he got caught by the FBI.
I know a bunch of cops who did the same thing in cooperation with a couple of local tow company guys. State police got involved after a random car sale to an off duty state police officer exposed the deal.
Several cops I knew got suspended, a few got indicted. After some time passed and attention died down, none got convicted of anything, not even a 3rd degree misdemeanor. All who were suspended were returned to full time status and all but one works to this day in the same city.
The one I know really well was off the job for almost 4 yrs. People would ask him where he'd been and he said he was "practicing law".
Several cops I knew got suspended, a few got indicted. After some time passed and attention died down, none got convicted of anything, not even a 3rd degree misdemeanor. All who were suspended were returned to full time status and all but one works to this day in the same city.
The one I know really well was off the job for almost 4 yrs. People would ask him where he'd been and he said he was "practicing law".
One day I mentioned to the young lady driver I was concerned about parking in the parking garage because someone could easily get in my soft top Jeep. She said, "You should be, my friend works there and they buy wrenched cars than steel a similar car from the lot and swap VINs!"
Last edited by JerryU; 08-24-2017 at 02:39 PM.
08-24-2017, 09:27 PM
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Regarding "Cherry" story 
"you can't weld cast aluminum". Hmmm... how does the frame get constructed again? Pretty sure it's welded.
Also, "The frame welds failed at every weld point within the cars' frame" -- from a low-speed impact?
"car was never tested"?
I would be leery of a repaired frame C7 too, but the above story sounds like utter garbage -- I think Cherry is going nuclear with the hyperbole, hoping to hit the lawsuit lottery.
"you can't weld cast aluminum". Hmmm... how does the frame get constructed again? Pretty sure it's welded.
Also, "The frame welds failed at every weld point within the cars' frame" -- from a low-speed impact?
"car was never tested"?
I would be leery of a repaired frame C7 too, but the above story sounds like utter garbage -- I think Cherry is going nuclear with the hyperbole, hoping to hit the lawsuit lottery.
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08-24-2017, 10:20 PM
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I hope not. 75 posts about "fake news".
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08-25-2017, 05:12 PM
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From the pics it does not look like that bad a problem.I recalled a pic of a defective MIG weld I took at Laguna Seca in August 2013 of the C7 frame on display! And that was a model! Would not doubt there are some crater cracks in some of the MIG welds made on production frames!
Crack in MIG weld on display frame!
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08-25-2017, 05:16 PM
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People keep posting over and over that it could be fixed. I don't think you're getting the point, the insurance company makes that call if they want to fix it or not. Then the owner can decide if they want to buy it out as a salvage title and maybe fix it if they want.
Then if you do fix it, if you ever want to sell it you are selling a car with a salvaged title which will drop its value down a little as well. Need to make sure you factor that in to determine if it is worth it, plus if you want to trust that weld.
All possible, but things to consider.
Then if you do fix it, if you ever want to sell it you are selling a car with a salvaged title which will drop its value down a little as well. Need to make sure you factor that in to determine if it is worth it, plus if you want to trust that weld.
All possible, but things to consider.