Breaking NEWS - 2019 Orders start early!
10-17-2017, 09:11 AM
#301
Burning Brakes
I'm guessing those electronic changes could be viewed as either positive or negative. If they are something like locking down the ECM, I would say bad.....now if they were something like adding safety features such as lane avoidance or something similar, then that would be a good thing......to me.
If anyone finds out, please post for the rest of us.
10-17-2017, 09:50 AM
#302
Platinum Supporting Dealership
I was finding 24-25% off leftover 2016's back in February of this year. And that was not including any loyalty rebates. Granted not many cars were the discounted and you will be more limited on colors and options, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 20% off in the Northeast on leftover 2017's in the dead of winter and when 2019's hit the lots.
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10-17-2017, 10:04 AM
#303
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I think the wording was "electronic components" though, so it doesn't sound like we're getting any new features, just that perhaps some of the unseen "wirey bits" will be getting changed.
10-17-2017, 10:41 AM
#304
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I think we've learned in the past that the "wording" sometimes isn't exactly what becomes the "end result". I'm not saying or guessing that it could be anything worthwhile, because I like others, have no idea. 
10-17-2017, 10:58 AM
#305
Automatic emergency braking (AEB):
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
10-17-2017, 11:03 AM
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Automatic emergency braking (AEB):
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
The model year change, push up was due to the debut of the ZR1 which I think will run for 2 years and close out the C7 generation in 2020. The question is whether or not any significant changes will be made to the Stingray, Grand Sport, and Z06.
The Corvette engineering team has previously communicated that the A10 transmission will not fit the chassis and that the blind spot monitors won't work due to the design of the cooling vents, etc. However, with the retooling, there may be some subtle design changes that will allow these changes. Who knows. All speculation at this point which makes this Forum fun.
10-17-2017, 11:23 AM
#307
I'm guessing those electronic changes could be viewed as either positive or negative. If they are something like locking down the ECM, I would say bad.....now if they were something like adding safety features such as lane avoidance or something similar, then that would be a good thing......to me.
There are too many millennial geeks who learned to write code in the tuning business, and are not qualified to call themselves power plant engineers. All it takes is a laptop and enough knowledge to be dangerous. I don't think any of them understand the full implications of the changes they make to extract more HP/TQ.
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10-17-2017, 12:11 PM
#308
Race Director
Automatic emergency braking (AEB):
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
I guess anything's possible at this point, but out of all of those things the only one I would really love to have would be adaptive cruise control. On long trips I love cruise control but hate it when I have to keep kicking it off when slower moving traffic gets in the way.
As far as locking down the ECM goes, if that's something they did do for 2019 I would be even more happy with my decision to continue with my 2018 order. I definitely want to disable AFM on my car, via the Range module at first, and then eventually (when the warranty is up) through tuning.
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10-17-2017, 02:46 PM
#309
Melting Slicks
Once the order is past the point of no return and into production on a car the dealer is getting regardless, I kinda see their point. If that's not the point of asking for or requiring a deposit, what is?
To those in that situation, with this strange, unexpected, circumstance that it is, maybe see if they would split the difference and allow you to apply half of that deposit to a 2019 order instead of forfeiting it all. That might be a decent compromise.
To those in that situation, with this strange, unexpected, circumstance that it is, maybe see if they would split the difference and allow you to apply half of that deposit to a 2019 order instead of forfeiting it all. That might be a decent compromise.
10-17-2017, 04:43 PM
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I don't disagree with the reasons you stated. BUT for those that do know what they are doing and don't consider what they do to be bad decisions, I would bet they would consider locking it down to be bad.
It depends upon your perspective. I think locking down the ECM would be a good thing, which would save a lot of owners from their bad decisions, as well as protecting innocent 2nd buyers who get screwed purchasing a used car thinking it had powertrain warranty left. Of course, it did until they take it in for an engine problem, and GM finds it every time.
There are too many millennial geeks who learned to write code in the tuning business, and are not qualified to call themselves power plant engineers. All it takes is a laptop and enough knowledge to be dangerous. I don't think any of them understand the full implications of the changes they make to extract more HP/TQ.
There are too many millennial geeks who learned to write code in the tuning business, and are not qualified to call themselves power plant engineers. All it takes is a laptop and enough knowledge to be dangerous. I don't think any of them understand the full implications of the changes they make to extract more HP/TQ.
10-17-2017, 08:28 PM
#311
10-17-2017, 10:13 PM
#312
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Automatic emergency braking (AEB):
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
Forward-collision warning (FCW):
Blind-spot warning (BSW):
Rear automatic emergency braking (Rear AEB):
Lane-departure warning (LDW):
Lane-keeping assist (LKA):
Lane-centering assist (LCA):
Adaptive cruise control (ACC):
They are all here just a matter of time before they get implemented into the Corvette. I bet one or more of the above will be in the 2019 as the described electronic component(s).
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10-18-2017, 04:44 AM
#313
Who (generic who) at dealerships got turned loose to order these cars on speculation, loaded this way? Last Fall I stopped into several dealerships around the Country from Oct. to Dec. in my travels to see these Red Tag Corvettes. Not one was anywhere near what I'd order. Some of the odd ball combinations I saw. They were loaded, but all A8s some 3LT coupes.
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10-18-2017, 02:52 PM
#314
This is precisely why I am going to wait to buy. I almost pulled the trigger Saturday but now I'm better off waiting and seeing what the inventory looks like after Christmas.
10-18-2017, 03:44 PM
#315
I am in the same situation, I have an appointment to see a nice Z06 in the color I want but am thinking better deals might be coming
10-18-2017, 04:14 PM
#316
Really want a 3LZ package and they seem hard to come by..
10-18-2017, 04:20 PM
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My preferred color and trim package will probably require a factory order because I haven't found the specific color/package option available anywhere near me over the last year.
10-18-2017, 04:32 PM
#318
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Anybody who is enjoying g their 2017 corvettes isn't getting screwed...they can't wipe the smiles off their faces every minute of everyday...
I'd say they made out just fine
I'd say they made out just fine
10-18-2017, 04:39 PM
#319
Do you think this will affect slightly used 2016s? The one I have been keeping track of has been sitting at the dealer for a while and the price has steadily dropped, but I wonder if I will be able to find a new 2017/2018 for a similar price soon (might have to go 1LZ if new)
10-18-2017, 05:11 PM
#320
Team Owner
I checked the inventory of three local dealers near me and I don't see a bunch of weird mis-matched cars that would never sell.
17 coupe black A8 base 1LT
17 coupe black A8 base 1LT
17 coupe white 7M base 1LT
17 coupe silver A8 base 3LT
17 coupe black 7M Z06 1LZ
17 coupe TR 7M Z06 3LZ
18 coupe silver A8 base LT
17 coupe TR A8 Z51 2LT
17 coupe gray 7M Z06 2LZ
18 coupe gray A8 Z51 2LT
18 ceramic A8 GS 3LT
18 black A8 base 1LT
18 LB Red A8 base 1LT
18 TR A8 base 1LT
18 white A8 Z51 1LT
18 gray A8 GS 1LT
17 coupe black A8 base 1LT
17 coupe black A8 base 1LT
17 coupe white 7M base 1LT
17 coupe silver A8 base 3LT
17 coupe black 7M Z06 1LZ
17 coupe TR 7M Z06 3LZ
18 coupe silver A8 base LT
17 coupe TR A8 Z51 2LT
17 coupe gray 7M Z06 2LZ
18 coupe gray A8 Z51 2LT
18 ceramic A8 GS 3LT
18 black A8 base 1LT
18 LB Red A8 base 1LT
18 TR A8 base 1LT
18 white A8 Z51 1LT
18 gray A8 GS 1LT